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Offline vames

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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2011, 03:56:58 PM »
Someone offered to do all the work for $3K. Pretty fair in my opinion. In classic cars restoration figures, $3k is a rounding error.


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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2011, 04:06:28 PM »
It'll get up to 65mph as is.  and will rev all the way nice and smooth.    It wont take much to do it.

I don't even want to do a full restore at this time, just the engine overhaul.   

Why do assume the engine needs a complete overhaul?

If it'll do 65 as is, a bit of ignition and carb work will likely get it screaming and to 90+.  IMO

even though its blowing liquid oil out the pipes?  you really think a tune up will be good enough? 


Describe the liquid.  Can you determine which cylinder has the problem and why?

partially burnt oil, all cyls.  Rings are shot to heck i'd assume.
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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2011, 04:11:04 PM »
Someone offered to do all the work for $3K. Pretty fair in my opinion. In classic cars restoration figures, $3k is a rounding error.



that was some time back, and while it is fair  im still a broke kid with medical bills and what not.  $3k is a bit out of my range at this time.  When Honda is sayin $1500 for the engine stuff.

But If i had the cash for the full restore right now id drop it in a second.
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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2011, 05:41:18 PM »
It'll get up to 65mph as is.  and will rev all the way nice and smooth.    It wont take much to do it.

I don't even want to do a full restore at this time, just the engine overhaul.   

Why do assume the engine needs a complete overhaul?

If it'll do 65 as is, a bit of ignition and carb work will likely get it screaming and to 90+.  IMO

even though its blowing liquid oil out the pipes?  you really think a tune up will be good enough? 


Describe the liquid.  Can you determine which cylinder has the problem and why?

partially burnt oil, all cyls.  Rings are shot to heck i'd assume.
Why assume, when a few tests can provide knowledge?  These Hondas are pretty robust.  What can be lost doing a compression test?  Looking at spark plug tip, etc?


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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2011, 05:55:58 PM »
cause, we all know what happens when you assume.  It makes an a$s outta you and me ;)

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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2011, 05:59:41 PM »
The motor that came with my bike was removed because the previous owner thought it was f*#ked as it leaked oil everywhere, I had no idea what condition it was in all I knew was it had been lying by the bike for 2 years.
I cleaned it down with degreaser then wrestled it back into the frame, changed the oil/filter and put in a good battery....that was 2 and a half years ago, still going great and no leaks at all!
The previous owner had decided that oil changes and filter changes were for sissies and the motor decided to show him that when one part of it blocks up, the oil has to go somewhere else and it leaked like a sieve.
Amazing how resilient to stupidity these old Hondas are. :)
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« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »
24 or 12 :D If he were my son I would. Oh I better not say it. I bet his EX. is happy now

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2011, 07:45:06 PM »
It'll get up to 65mph as is.  and will rev all the way nice and smooth.    It wont take much to do it.

I don't even want to do a full restore at this time, just the engine overhaul.   

Why do assume the engine needs a complete overhaul?

If it'll do 65 as is, a bit of ignition and carb work will likely get it screaming and to 90+.  IMO

even though its blowing liquid oil out the pipes?  you really think a tune up will be good enough? 


Describe the liquid.  Can you determine which cylinder has the problem and why?

partially burnt oil, all cyls.  Rings are shot to heck i'd assume.
Why assume, when a few tests can provide knowledge?  These Hondas are pretty robust.  What can be lost doing a compression test?  Looking at spark plug tip, etc?


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cause, we all know what happens when you assume.  It makes an a$s outta you and me

Am I missing something here?? who's assuming what? maybe I need to reread....
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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2011, 07:53:14 PM »
24 or 12 :D If he were my son I would. Oh I better not say it. I bet his EX. is happy now

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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2011, 08:11:59 PM »
I'll send my wife over. She can fix anything ;)

Sorry, that's all I got at this point. ;)

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« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2011, 08:17:03 PM »
I'll send my wife over. She can fix anything ;)

Sorry, that's all I got at this point. ;)

anything, eh?  ill be waiting ;)
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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2011, 08:23:49 PM »
Just saying.
You can do an entire top end o'haul with the engine in the frame.  ... if that is indeed what it needs.
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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2011, 09:48:30 PM »
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why don't you just back off, I posted in here, "If you arent going to offer up advise that is helpful, GTFO"  Kthnks.

Sorry Nancy, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But again, try Craigslist for a mechanic if you're not able to work on the engine yourself. There is a chance you'll find someone who can do it for cheaper than Honda. Or get a bike lift so you don't have to bend over as Seaweb suggested.

As for people posting in your thread, unfortunately this is an open forum and any member can comment. You'd better get used to people adding their two cents.
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« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2011, 11:24:50 PM »
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why don't you just back off, I posted in here, "If you arent going to offer up advise that is helpful, GTFO"  Kthnks.

Sorry Nancy, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But again, try Craigslist for a mechanic if you're not able to work on the engine yourself. There is a chance you'll find someone who can do it for cheaper than Honda. Or get a bike lift so you don't have to bend over as Seaweb suggested.

As for people posting in your thread, unfortunately this is an open forum and any member can comment. You'd better get used to people adding their two cents.

Again, I will state that ALL, and i do mean ALL of the local people who work on bikes have stated.  Not until winter, and even then they are worried abut working on an old bike.   I've considered the lift, more than once.  IF i end up HAVING to do the work myself, ill invest in one.  if i can find someone i can pay to do it, ill keep from buying something i have no room for.

Public Forum, Open Thread, Any Member Can Post and yet i can respectfully request you keep you negative comments to yourself, as has been suggested more than once in this thread.  the bulk of the stuff here is helpful.  your comment was not. 

please keep things this way.   I am aware how forums work, I've been a moderator on 8 different forums over the years.  Im used to deleting negative posts on the forums ive run, and banning repeat offenders.  Obviously I can't do that here, but i will again ask you keep you negative stuff to yourself.
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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2011, 11:53:19 PM »
My bike's mirrors need cleaning Seaweb, send her over. ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2011, 05:30:13 AM »
Great idea Seaweb!  Instead of putting air bags in the car, find a wife with 'em already mounted!  Now that's thinking!
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« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2011, 07:54:09 AM »
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Again, I will state that ALL, and i do mean ALL of the local people who work on bikes have stated.  Not until winter, and even then they are worried abut working on an old bike.

I'm not talking about your local people. If you really want to find someone who will work on it you'll have to broaden your search, probably have to post online for the next city over, down to Dallas or up to Kansas City.

Just because you don't agree with a comment it doesn't necessarily make it negative. Did you get the manual yet?
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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2011, 01:06:16 PM »
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why don't you just back off, I posted in here, "If you arent going to offer up advise that is helpful, GTFO"  Kthnks.

Sorry Nancy, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But again, try Craigslist for a mechanic if you're not able to work on the engine yourself. There is a chance you'll find someone who can do it for cheaper than Honda. Or get a bike lift so you don't have to bend over as Seaweb suggested.

As for people posting in your thread, unfortunately this is an open forum and any member can comment. You'd better get used to people adding their two cents.

Again, I will state that ALL, and i do mean ALL of the local people who work on bikes have stated.  Not until winter, and even then they are worried abut working on an old bike.   I've considered the lift, more than once.  IF i end up HAVING to do the work myself, ill invest in one.  if i can find someone i can pay to do it, ill keep from buying something i have no room for.

Public Forum, Open Thread, Any Member Can Post and yet i can respectfully request you keep you negative comments to yourself, as has been suggested more than once in this thread.  the bulk of the stuff here is helpful.  your comment was not. 

please keep things this way.   I am aware how forums work, I've been a moderator on 8 different forums over the years.  Im used to deleting negative posts on the forums ive run, and banning repeat offenders.  Obviously I can't do that here, but i will again ask you keep you negative stuff to yourself.

Ok.  I stayed out of this for as long as I could but it is painfully clear that you are just looking for someone to say "Yeh, bring it to me and I'll make it look like a show bike for $100."  That ain't gonna happen.  The fact of the matter is that if you want something you'll have to earn it, either through putting up some hard cash or by putting in the time to learn to do it the right way, making errors as you go and learning from them as well. 

Almost everyone on this forum has spent untold hours trouble shooting, researching, and working on these bikes.  When someone offers $3K to do the work that is based on their experience (and they must work FAST at that rate).  Unfortunately there is a tenancy with younger generations (you're not that much younger than me so it's not me calling you a kid) to think they are entitled to things without putting in the effort.  My first bike (a '73 350F by the way) was a learning experience I worked on in college after a full day of classes and working full time in the evenings.  It took me a long time to get her on the road but I learned alot.  It seems you want the easy answer when there is none to be found.

Those that have suggested your money would be better spent buying a newer bike are not trying to be mean.  they are absorbing the input you've given and returning a very good suggestion that would yield the quickest and easiest result which is what you seem to require. 

If you are interested, there is a great book that many on here have read at some point in the last 30+ years which I have found to be a great asset.  Robert Persig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  It is not about working on a bike as much as it is about the approach the author takes to all things in life through the pursuit of the definition of quality.  It just might help put things into perspective.

Hopefully you don't see this as an attack but as advice which is the intent.  Please understand that you have asked a question of folks that know much more than you do and you are receiving their answers.  No need to get upset.  Just try to learn.  Hopefully you'll get converted into a full-on SOHC addict like the rest of us.

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Re: well, i need help
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2011, 02:24:36 PM »
All pretty good advice DBarker, if you take it on board there are literally hundreds on here that will willingly help you with advice.
It may be taht your physical condition right now doesn't lend itself to bending for hours over a low bike, I can well understand that.
The great thing about these Honda's esp the little CB350f is taht they are a jigsaw puzzle, you can remove one piece, say the carbs and place them on a bench to strip down and clean, thus you are only bending down for a limited time.
If the motor has to come out then the lightest of them all again is the 350f so you can bench that at a height you are comfortable working at.
Apart from that it all comes down to patience and the wish to complete the project you start, if just riding is the aim I'd take the advice of many on here and find a runner that you can ride now and flick this bike to someone with the time and patience to do it credit. :)
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2011, 09:10:43 PM »
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why don't you just back off, I posted in here, "If you arent going to offer up advise that is helpful, GTFO"  Kthnks.

Sorry Nancy, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But again, try Craigslist for a mechanic if you're not able to work on the engine yourself. There is a chance you'll find someone who can do it for cheaper than Honda. Or get a bike lift so you don't have to bend over as Seaweb suggested.

As for people posting in your thread, unfortunately this is an open forum and any member can comment. You'd better get used to people adding their two cents.
Dbarker, if you don't like negative posts, maybe you should take a look at your own.  You have 3 pages of ideas here for you to think about.  Certainly, none of 'em are any good when you shoot 'em all down without any consideration.  I understand you have some difficult circumstances...that simply means you will have to try harder than others...or give up.

Again, I will state that ALL, and i do mean ALL of the local people who work on bikes have stated.  Not until winter, and even then they are worried abut working on an old bike.   I've considered the lift, more than once.  IF i end up HAVING to do the work myself, ill invest in one.  if i can find someone i can pay to do it, ill keep from buying something i have no room for.

Public Forum, Open Thread, Any Member Can Post and yet i can respectfully request you keep you negative comments to yourself, as has been suggested more than once in this thread.  the bulk of the stuff here is helpful.  your comment was not. 

please keep things this way.   I am aware how forums work, I've been a moderator on 8 different forums over the years.  Im used to deleting negative posts on the forums ive run, and banning repeat offenders.  Obviously I can't do that here, but i will again ask you keep you negative stuff to yourself.
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