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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #225 on: July 15, 2014, 11:51:44 AM »
Thanks for the great replies, guys. Makes it all worth while to find the thread has been useful.  ;D

Thanks for the update SohRon!  Great stuff as always.  Love the buzzer fantasy bit...funny stuff...

I'm not saying that will ever happen to you but, really... are you willing go risk the carnage just because you can't remember to turn off the damned signals?  :o ;D


Sohron I liked your tip on buying bolts on eBay and what to look out for, really helped me.

I missed the tip mick. May you share?



Tews, I believe Mick is referring to something I mentioned about those "Box-O-Bolts" auctions where folks are selling used bolts. I've gotten some great deals from those including lots more than just bolts... I  recommended studying the photos carefully and avoiding those with too many brown-tipped bolts, indicating rust, while gray-tipped bolts often indicate tarnish that can usually be cleaned up successfully. Check out the engine hanger bolts on page one or two of this thead to see what I mean.

Thanks again to all who have participated in the thread. Appreciate it!
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #226 on: July 15, 2014, 12:02:10 PM »
SR I thought the tip back on 4 Nov '13 was a gem.

Tews 19 - SR was asked by Cal about bolts and he gave this little tip:-

"Some of the bolts that are no longer available I obtained from ebay "Box-O-Bolts" auctions. I've gotten some real nice deals from those. Something I've learned from persuing those auctions is to carefully inspect the shots of the items for sale for gray bolt heads. They are usually just tarnished and can be restored. Too many brown bolts mean a lot of rust, and I avoid those."

For a mug restorer like me, I've made some silly mistakes and a little gem like that helped me in making decisions about buying 2nd hand eBay bolts.

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #227 on: July 15, 2014, 12:09:03 PM »
SR I didn't see your response, I was too late in Sydney to reply to Tews and I replied this morning at 5AM.


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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #228 on: July 15, 2014, 12:20:58 PM »
Hey, it's all cool!   ;)
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #229 on: August 12, 2014, 06:30:25 PM »
Sooo.. glad you're back! As always, immediately after reading your latest post, I went out and checked out the corresponding parts on my bike. You absolutely must preserve the lessons you've provided all us devoted readers for future SOHC fanatics. Thanks again.

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #230 on: August 17, 2014, 10:43:03 AM »
Hey Ron.....I finally caught up on your build, fantastic.  Have you found a painter?
If not, I woukd suggest forum member Nevr2old, he is a Pro and has done members bikes, his 400F was recently in the BOTM thread.    His company  is Meticulous Paint. 
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt2 - Peripherals
« Reply #231 on: August 24, 2014, 06:23:06 PM »
Hey, guys! Sorry I haven't answered this sooner, but I've been pretty busy with various projects and family business, so haven't been able to access the forum for a while... I'll admit I've been spending more time with the Corsa and not as much on the bike, but that's about to change now that the 'vair is ready for paint...



Sooo.. glad you're back! As always, immediately after reading your latest post, I went out and checked out the corresponding parts on my bike. You absolutely must preserve the lessons you've provided all us devoted readers for future SOHC fanatics. Thanks again.

Hank, thanks for the encouragement! I appreciate it!


Hey Ron.....I finally caught up on your build, fantastic.  Have you found a painter?

Stev, the paint for the bike has turned into a major hassle and I wish I'd known about Nevr2old sooner; I'm sure I could have saved myself some stress. I looked in the "Services Offered" section of the forum for painters but didn't find anyone, so I opted for a local body shop that was recommended by a friend and, to be honest, not all went as smoothly as I would have liked....

As I mentioned above, I spent some time preparing a tank for painting using a phosphoric bath and it came out looking great. It sat around for a few weeks while I looked for a painter, and still looked good when I delivered it to them. They hadn't done anything like it before (candy and decals), but assured me that they'd be able to do it without problems; I'd seen some of their work and was happy with what I saw, so I delivered the tank, side covers, decals and a "Sunrise Orange" kit from Vintage Honda Paints to them.

Two weeks later they called and said everything was ready, so I drove over after work to pick it all up. The side covers and painted tank looked great; however the decal was another story. They had used their own clear coat and I guess it reacted badly with the decal because the decal had lifted and showed minor splits in a couple of places. Additionally, the finish parameters required a black field be painted over the orange and somehow the delineation between the two paints had outgassed and there was what looked like a ripple running down the middle of the gold area in the decal (both sides)! Needless to say I was less than pleased with the result, and after some discussion with the shop manager it was decided that the best fix would be to have the stripes painted on, so I crossed my fingers, left the tank with them and waited for them to call me back.

This time it was nearly three weeks before I got the call, but when I went back to the shop the tank looked absolutely perfect! The stripes were professionally executed (although slightly out of position... but I'm just being picky about that) and the tank looked brand new. And they didn't charge me a dime for the work to fix it. I happily took my new tank home with visions of a finished bike running through my head...

That's when the real fun began.  :o

I'm sure you're way ahead of me on this, but I'll plow on anyway. The tank had required some body work done - a couple of small dings and scrapes - and I had the shop do that before painting. To make an even longer story slightly shorter, they did the body work, then sealed the tank up with tape for painting and, what with the problems that developed with the decal stripes, it stayed that way for over a month with nothing inside but air. So when I finally got it home I pulled the tape off and, of course, the tank was now "full" of rust. Not just mild flash, but some pretty heavy stuff in places. My heart sank like a stone when I saw the mess. Now I had a beautiful tank with an expensive paint job on it, and it was unusable in its current condition.

I hit the computer and did a search of the forum for every method of tank de-rusting I could find - and there are lots of them - vinegar, molasses, electrolytic rust removal, and acid treatments from "Prep and Etch" to "The Works" toilet bowl cleaner, just to name a few... I decided to stick with the "Prep and Etch" treatment since I already had some, and it seemed the least likely to result in more rust in the tank (I know, I know; I used it before and got rust anyway, but I'll get into that later).

Let me tell you now that it takes some serious stones to pour phosphoric acid into a tank with a $750 paint job on it, and I was sweating it all the way. I used a funnel but had a wet rag on hand to immediately sop up any stray drops. Once the acid was in the tank I filled it to the top with water (per the forum search), then let it sit for 24 hours... and a more nerve-wracking 24 hours I have rarely experienced, let me tell you! When the time was up, still being majorly paranoid, I didn't empty the tank via the filler neck but, instead, pulled the plug at the petcock mount and let it drain slowly out. Once it had drained, I just let it air dry (again, after advice from the forum) to give the zinc coating a chance to form (per the forum).

Well, that didn't work at all. The major rust spots were gone, but there were pools of flash rust where the water I'd added to the acid had separated and flashed over; in addition, there were large areas that appeared to be wearing "fur", which I took to be poorly adhering patches of the zinc coating. I tried some "Must for Rust" in a spray bottle to clean things up, but it has even more water in it than the 4-1 Prep and Etch bath I'd given the tank, and it just made matters worse. I realized that if I was going to save this tank and its pricey paint job I had to get serious and get back to what I knew would work. Get back to where I once belonged.

So, once again I  steeled myself, bought some more Prep and Etch and acetone, sealed up the petcock holes with electrical tape (works great for a short period), then poured about a quart of Prep and Etch straight into the tank and closed the filler neck with more electrical tape. I then spent about half an hour shaking and rolling the tank, keeping the acid in constant motion to be sure to cover every square inch. I then let it sit for fifteen or twenty minutes, then did the rolling and shaking thing again. After what I thought was enough time, I drained the tank - this time via the filler hole - then rinsed it out with water and immediately blasted it with compressed air, followed by the hot air gun until the tank was too hot to touch, then hit it with the air again until the tank had cooled somewhat. I then poured in about a quart of acetone and did the rolly, shaky thing for five or ten minutes in order to remove the water, after which I drained the tank and hit it with the compressed air and heat gun treatment.

It worked. The tank came out sparkly clean and stayed that way. I finished up with a step I hadn't used before; I  poured in a quart of 2-stroke motor oil and rolled the tank once again to make sure the inside was liberally coated before draining the excess. I hadn't done this originally; in my own defense I live in the middle of what was once described as "The Great American Desert" and there just isn't much moisture in the air. Additionally, I wasn't sure how the oil would react with the painting operation and decided a dry tank would be the way to go; and leaving it dry may well have been fine if the tank hadn't remained sealed up for over a month...

So that's where things are now and the tank still looks good a week after the treatment. It may be that I'll have to line it eventually; only time will tell. The paint still looks great with no issues, and I'm breathing a big sigh of relief about that, considering all I did to it. If I had had to buy a new tank it might have put the kibosh on the whole project...

Anyway, enough on that. I'm still preparing a post to finish up the electrical install and should publish that soon. I still hope to get the bike done this year and, barring any more SNAFUs, I feel confident I'll accomplish that. Just one step at a time.

Here's a preview of things to come, just to whet your appetite


I should be posting soon; again, thanks to all for your support!
« Last Edit: August 24, 2014, 06:28:30 PM by SohRon »
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #232 on: August 24, 2014, 07:02:42 PM »
WOW, Ron.  That paint is a thing of beauty.  Can you please post some close up shots?
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #233 on: August 24, 2014, 08:28:21 PM »
That's quite an acid story, hope you're not having flashbacks.  You may want to consider lining the tank with Caswell epoxy. 
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #234 on: August 24, 2014, 08:30:55 PM »
+1 on the Caswell.  Never worry about flash rust again.  Holds up better than red cote.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #235 on: August 25, 2014, 12:28:00 PM »
Ron I see a green tank in the lower left of the pic. What's the plan for that tank?
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #236 on: August 25, 2014, 05:24:12 PM »
Here's a somewhat better pic of the tank (the Honda badge is just temporary until I receive the new ones, and I haven't finished installing the trim - still needs more of the clips). They did a pretty good job on it, eventually!  ::)



I think lining it is probably in order, considering it may sit unused on occasion. Do you all recommend the Caswell over POR-15?

Tews, that's a '75 tank that's not in too bad shape. I might be interested in getting rid of it. Let me know if you're interested... I'd probably let it go just for the shipping costs.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 05:30:27 PM by SohRon »
"He slipped back down the alley with some roly-poly little bat-faced girl..."

Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #237 on: August 25, 2014, 05:37:21 PM »
Lol I sent a PM already Cal. If I pass I will let you know.
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« Reply #238 on: August 25, 2014, 06:24:51 PM »
SohRon,

Thanks for the close up of the tank.  That paint is beautiful.  Lots of dimension to that color. 
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #239 on: August 25, 2014, 08:56:20 PM »
This thread is a treasure - great photos and explanations - thanks so much.
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #240 on: August 29, 2014, 08:10:17 AM »
Brian, thanks for the support. It's always good to hear from someone who appreciates the thread!

Tews - I sent an e-mail with a pic... Will give it to you for shipping (and no, I don't have side covers)

Cal, I have another tank in similar condition I'd be willing to part with. Send me a PM if you're interested in pics...

Thanks again to all who have been following the thread, and I'll be posting new stuff in the next couple of weeks.
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #241 on: August 29, 2014, 09:22:48 AM »
Thanks SohRon!
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« Reply #242 on: August 29, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »
Cal - e-mail sent.
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
CB550 Assembly Manual: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.0.html

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #243 on: September 03, 2014, 04:41:46 PM »
SohRon,

It looks like you are in the homestretch -- with electrical and tuning to go?  Can't wait to see it all buttoned up -- especially with that freakin' awesome paint. 
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - An essay: Fun with acid (no, not Windowpane...)
« Reply #244 on: September 08, 2014, 05:29:58 PM »
SohRon

When you said  "the finish parameters required a black field be painted over the orange" does that mean the entire tank is painted orange and then the black is applied over it? Curious as I am about to have a body shop paint my 75 CB550 tank, coincidentally, Sunrise Orange. Keep up the great work and can't wait to see the rest of your post.

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« Reply #245 on: September 10, 2014, 05:42:46 PM »
When you said  "the finish parameters required a black field be painted over the orange" does that mean the entire tank is painted orange and then the black is applied over it? Curious as I am about to have a body shop paint my 75 CB550 tank, coincidentally, Sunrise Orange. Keep up the great work and can't wait to see the rest of your post.



Hank - Black over orange is SOP for painting these tanks. Are you using the Vintage Honda Paint paints? I'm very pleased with the results on my tank, and that's where I got mine. Was told by the painter that I got a very good deal on the paint as it would have cost much more from different suppliers. Just curious!  ;D
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt 3: Main Harness/clutch
« Reply #246 on: September 15, 2014, 08:43:19 AM »
In this update I'll be installing the wiring harness and clutch cable. They are mounted using the same wiring bands, so it's best to do them both at the same time. In addition, we'll fit the remainder of the peripheral parts

But first, I should mention a couple of changes I've made to the thread due to new information I've run across that shows I incorrectly installed one of the boots (or covers) in the previous post; that being the cover for the tail light wiring bundle. Yeah, I know it's not a critical part, but since we're trying to do things "by the book" I figured it would be best to have it done as Honda designed it to be. With that in mind, I've removed one of the pics and some text that depicted the incorrect location of the boot - you can go back and take a look if you think you really need to, but we'll be addressing that part later on in this post...

Another change I've made is way back in the front brake installation. There's a clip that's installed with the brake "joint" that I indicated was used to route the clutch cable; it's actually used for routing the speedo cable, so I made that change to the text. Live and learn...



On to the update. Here are the wiring harness and clutch cable, along with the mounting bands, a "J" shaped wiring support and, to the right, the clutch switch with its mounting clip



To start the build, I'll mount the clutch switch into the left switch pod. This is a safety feature that allows the bike to be started only when the clutch is disengaged. After the clutch lever is removed, the switch wire threads through a hole in the lever mount...




...the switch being inserted fully into the housing where a small tab on the switch body (below inset) fits into a slot cut into the lever support




The clutch cable and lever are then installed, and the cable and switch wire are joined together with a plastic clip (inset) that keeps the two from flopping around in the wind





With this preliminary step completed, I turned my attention to the main wiring harness. It's a new OEM harness from David Silver Spares made by TEK, so I'm hoping everything fits and works as it should...

I started out by laying the harness roughly in position along the frame. Installation begins by removing the front coil mount bolt and inserting it through the large green ground wire lug, after which the bolt is re-installed (below left). Its important that this bolt is tight as this wire supplies grounding for the entire electrical system (all the green wires lead to here)




The coil and horn leads are then connected to the harness (above right). Note that the horn wire is routed behind the down tube rather than in front...

Once all of the connections have been made, they're held in position using this flat "J" shaped stamped aluminum hanger clip, shown here with a tank mount rubber




The hanger is concave at its mounting end, and is inserted down over the tank mount on the frame with the concave portion fitting over the base of the mount; this also orients the curve of the "J" inboard roughly toward the centerline of the frame. The coil and horn connections are then bundled together and collected inside the curved portion of the hanger (below left)...


...and the tank rubber is inserted down over its mount, holding everything in place (above right). On the "F" models, the wiring connections actually run under the frame and are collected inside a small box mounted beneath the coils. The "J" hanger is still used, but the curve is reversed and it acts to hold the wiring harness itself...


From here on out, the wiring harness and clutch cable will be mounted to the frame using stamped aluminum cable ties (Honda likes to call them "bands"). They're different sizes: the longer, wider tie, measuring 7X3/8", is referred to as "Band B1" (or simply, the "B" band); the shorter tie, measuring 5 1/8X5/16" is called "Band A2" (band "A") (below upper)



These OEM bands were originally coated with Rubber Dip (similar to Plasti-Dip). They're no longer available in this form from Honda, who has substituted a narrower band in place of band "B", and a black plastic band for the "A" band (above lower). Additionally, they've stopped actually dipping the bands in rubber dip and, instead, are now using wire sleeve in its place. I like this idea. The OEM bands are relatively easy to find in ebay auctions, but on most of them the rubber coating has deteriorated and is either pretty beat up or is missing altogether. Using Honda's lead, the original metal bands can be straightened and the rubber covering replaced with 7mm sleeving for the "A" bands, and 9mm for the "B" bands. Other clips and straps originally given a rubber coat can be resurrected using larger diameter sleeve, such as the wiring hanger and HT clips, which can be covered using 11mm sleeving (below)



At this point in time, this nice, shiny black wire sleeving can be found at "Vintage Connections.com" for a reasonable price per foot.



To install the harness, I'll be following the wiring diagrams that are printed in the Honda Shop manual (find these in your Clymer's   ;)). Here are copies of the diagrams, once again shamelessly purloined from the manual (click on diagrams to expand to full size):






Again, it's stuff like this that compels me to urge you to pick up the official Honda Shop Manual. Clymer's is OK as far as it goes, but adding the Honda manual to your reference is like going up a click on a 3-way bulb: much more info is suddenly available. Download it or, better yet, get a hard copy you can actually fondle and smear grease all over!


The first tie we'll install is a "B" band, and it wraps around the front left downtube, capturing both the main harness and (behind the downtube) the horn sub-harness




Now, if you're following a parts fiche it might indicate an "A" band in this location. Fact is, one of them just isn't long enough to reach around the tube and wiring bundles, so I'm fitting a "B" band here. There are a couple of other places where I will deviate from the fiche - you can decide for yourself if I'm wrong or not.


The next tie is installed farther down the frame and wraps around the "backbone" behind the coils. It captures the main harness and ignition switch "dongle" as well as the clutch cable, so it really does triple duty. Unfortunately, neither of the bands is long enough to accomplish all of this on its own, so what Honda did was to take two "A" bands and splice them together (inset below) which creates a long enough band to do the job. Here it is on the wiring harness side, with the main switch already connected...




...and this is how it captures the clutch cable on the right side of the frame. The cable routes around the headstock in front of all of the other cables and wires (see above diagram), then down between the forks, under the tank mount and up to the top of the frame, where it's held in place by the wiring band assembly




Back on the left (harness) side, the harness tucks down under the frame "backbone" and continues on toward the back of the bike. When it reaches the electrical panel triangle several things happen at once: the harness kind of "dives" down under the cross brace and routes along the top of the electrical panel, where it's held in position using a couple of "A" bands: the first routes down through a hole stamped into the frame gusset...




...while the second band supports the harness farther down the frame tube, just before the frame brace.




At this point, all of the connections to the electrical panel are made. The connectors for the fuse box and SSM tuck away behind the panel, atop the inner fender. Something to note in the bottom left portion of the pic is the stator sub-harness and the starter motor lead, which come up off the engine. The stator harness routes in front of the downtube while the starter lead snakes around behind, and both are fixed in place with an "A" band.




Meanwhile, a wiring extension takes off at a tangent from the main harness and routs under the frame gusset to the right side of the bike. Here's a blow-up from the routing diagram that demonstrates this (dotted lines)




It carries wiring for the brake pedal switch and the ignition points. Once in position, it and the clutch cable are secured to the frame via a "B" band that wraps around the frame tube and through another hole in the frame gusset




Here's a shot from above, showing the bands and their locations; compare it to the diagrams above. At top is the "B" band holding the clutch cable and wiring harness extension, while at bottom we have the two "A" bands holding the main harness in position



Something else to notice in the above pic is the positive battery cable (on the right). It's connected to the solenoid, then extends across the bike between the air box and rear inner fender to the battery box.


Next, I installed the rear brake switch and spring. The switch fits down into a mount welded onto the downtube, and the spring connects to a tab on the brake pedal




The switch wiring is routed around in front of the downtube and, along with the points leads from the engine, are connected to the harness extension (below inset). The connections are then covered with a rubber shield, and the whole assembly is tucked away between the battery box and air box where it's held in position with an "A" band around the frame tube




Still on the right side of the bike, the clutch cable snakes down between the intakes for cyls 3 and 4 and connects with the rear engine mount at a curled section of the mount formed to accept it. The cable shield threads fit down into the mount, where it's held for adjustment by the lower adjuster nut, while the cable itself attaches to the clutch lever via a clevis on the end of the lever




Once the cable is attached, the clutch mechanism is given a "preload" by turning the clutch adjuster screw on the clutch cover in a counter-clockwise direction until the marks punched into the actuator lever and the clutch cover are in alignment (above inset). This forces a long lever inside the clutch cover to make contact with the clutch rod; final adjustment is then made using the adjusters on the cable and at the lever on the handlebar.

Here's a shot of the clutch cable installation. Notice the fairly exaggerated "hump" between the cable ties. It should reach to the center of the frame (and a bit beyond) when the cable is laid flat against the frame. It's covered by the tank and insures smooth operation of the clutch mechanism.




Returning to the left side of the bike and the wiring harness, the "tail" of the harness routes up between the rear frame brace and the inner fender. There's a rubber boot that fits over the connectors; you'll want to install it before routing the harness as it's a major PITA to try to install once everything is in place. Talking from experience, here...




Once the connectors are routed, the wiring harness installation is completed by making the tail light and rear turn signal connections




And here is a shot of the installed main harness




So I'm calling this episode done for now. I've got the harness in place along with most of the major components; any that are left over will be covered in the next couple of posts. Things are starting to come together and it looks like this project is nearing its end. Glory Hallelujah!



'til next time
« Last Edit: October 04, 2014, 10:04:42 AM by SohRon »
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt 3: Main Harness/Clutch
« Reply #247 on: September 15, 2014, 08:53:27 AM »
This thread just keeps getting more impressive! Amazing build and amazing documentation.

A back-in-the-day Honda Tech would have killed for such a rich resource. I mean, look at the Factory Manual cartoons he had to work with vs the full-color, high-res close-ups you give us!

Thanks again for your hard work.
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt 3: Main Harness/Clutch
« Reply #248 on: September 15, 2014, 10:13:42 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement, Mike. And welcome to the forum!
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Assembling my '74 CB550: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.0
Assembly of the Right-hand Switch (a rebuilder's guide):  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80532.0
Installing stock 4X4 exhaust: CB500-CB550 K: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=82323.0
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Re: Assembling my '74 CB550 - Electrical System Pt 3: Main Harness/Clutch
« Reply #249 on: September 15, 2014, 08:07:38 PM »
The detail and dedication to stock restoration are incredibly impressive, Ron.
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