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Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:56:00 AM »
In the process of taking apart my CB550 engine, I had a very hard time getting the stator rotor off.  It was stuck too the crank and I had no good way to hold the crank in place while I tightened the remove tool (the bolt that screws into the rotor and pushes it off the crank).
So I grabbed the spark advance nut and got it off, but I reefed too hard on it and elongated the hole where the spark advance pin sticks in.  Is this a problem?  If so, any ideas on how to fix it? 
Also, what is the right way to hold the other end of the crank while unscrewing something or removing the rotor?
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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 11:26:03 AM »
impact wrench would have made things so much easier.....

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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 11:39:39 AM »
Well, first: check to see how much the advancer can slide forward or back in timing. A lot of these holes are damaged, as Honda used mild steel on the crank and hardened dowels in the advancer.

So, go to TDC with the engine but removing the #4 sparkplug (and loosening all the others to reduce drag for what you're about to do) and touching the top of the piston through the hole with a cut off piece of stiff coat hanger wire, so you can "feel" it easily. Then, using the big nut on the advancer, turn the engine back & forth a little bit near TDC (BTW, that's "Top Dead Center", if you're not familiar with the acronym) until you're right at TDC. Then make a punch mark on the advancer backplate where TDC actually is: when you're setting timing in the future, you can judge it by the offset between the 2 marks.

Usually, the damage is only a degree or two. This is not very significant on a stock engine, but it does get important if you have high compression pistons or are trying to lean out the fuel mixture to the limit for improved MPG. Since the timing specs are all +/-2 degrees anyway, yours might not be hurt enough to matter?
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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 04:29:51 AM »
Well the entire top end is off the engine so I won't be able to check it out until it's more assembled.  If it is off by more than is desirable, is there anything people have done to repair the hole?
 I was thinking about plugging it with JB Weld and then inserting and removing the pin to recreate the hole.  May not be necessary though.
The impact wrench didn't occur to me.  I wish it did but I also didn't have the appropriate nut. 
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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 06:56:28 AM »
Well the entire top end is off the engine so I won't be able to check it out until it's more assembled.  If it is off by more than is desirable, is there anything people have done to repair the hole?
 I was thinking about plugging it with JB Weld and then inserting and removing the pin to recreate the hole.  May not be necessary though.
The impact wrench didn't occur to me.  I wish it did but I also didn't have the appropriate nut. 
Thanks ,
Jeremy B


Some have gone to the trouble of bushing it: drill the hole out and find/make a bushing that fits the dowel on the advancer and the new hole. The JB Weld trick would probably work, so long as you remember to not turn the engine over too aggressively with that nut in the future. JB Weld must be at least 0.020" thick to achieve the strength it is famous for, and there might not be that much room? In any case, always remember to turn the engine FORWARD, never backward, with this nut. Sadly, Honda removed that statement after the 750K0 manuals: it causes the shaft to become a little bit bent and then the timing jitters (especially on the 2-3 points set). You then have to re-true the shaft with a dial indicator.
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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 07:25:45 AM »
As far as the "proper way" to get the rotor off. in a perfect world, you would look ahead to this task. Before removing the engine, remove the alt cover. Put the bike in gear, 5th, and have someone stand on the rear brake. Then put a cheater bar on your breaker bar and it should loosen up.

Do the same in reverse for tightening it. Assemble as tighty as possible on the bench, and finish it off in the frame.
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Re: Well now I've done it: spark advance mounting hole damage
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 05:44:25 AM »
Thanks for the help gents!  I'll work on fixing some other things before I get too involved in this project.  I am glad to know not to give up on this engine though. 
And I will definitely wait until later to get the alternator rotor back on.
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