Author Topic: Cafe Racers in Oz, it had to happen, I suppose................. (Read 5724 times)

Terry in Australia · « **on:** April 10, 2011, 05:13:09 AM »

The "Cafe" scene here in Oz looks like it's finally taken off, and recently I've seen some pretty awful CB based Cafe Racers for sale, for silly money.

In my opinion, this guy has managed to do two things, he's made an F1 even uglier than Honda's "stylists" did, and he's asking about 10 times what it's worth. All things considered, it'll probably sell!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1976-Honda-CB750-F1-Full-Custom-Build-Cafe-Racer-/270729365782?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3f08ba4916

MoMo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2011, 05:20:28 AM »

Terry, If he get that

, you should get 45,000 for Goldie

...Larry

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2011, 05:26:32 AM »

Ha ha, thanks mate, I could use 45 grand right now, EBay here I come!

Stev-o · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2011, 05:56:35 AM »

Terry - you need to get rolling on your cafe building company!
(Terry's Badass Cafe Racers?!?)

You'll need to go to the Midwest US and buy all those barn finds and ship 'em to Oz!

cb650PK · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2011, 06:06:14 AM »

I don't think it looks bad at all, but I actually like the F1 (except for the exhaust).

Bodi · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2011, 06:22:30 AM »

What's with the crow eating the sex toy?

MoMo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2011, 07:16:23 AM »

Quote from: Bodi on April 10, 2011, 06:22:30 AM

What's with the crow eating the sex toy?

Didn't notice that at first, it is very strange whatever it is...Larry

ev0lve · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:04:29 AM »

Holy hell. The Aus is pretty much at parity with the US Dollar so that number is 15,834.5 US (or the US dollar is at parity with the Aus depending on your point of view

).

That's ridiculous.

Also, that's a crow eating an eyeball with a knife through it. Also ridiculous.

The speedo is a nice touch...

Really? · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:12:52 AM »

If that is what is being turned out in Oz, Terry and Retro are kings at this stuff!

I can see it now, Terry and Retro's Vintage Cycle shop popping up on Cafe Racer. Is that show even on anymore?

I have never built one of those but think even I could do a better job than that guy.

Nezhac · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:13:41 AM »

Quote from: cb650PK on April 10, 2011, 06:06:14 AM

I don't think it looks bad at all,

Well I thought meh when I saw it.
then I saw the price tag, yikes, I think that's a whole other dimension above ridiculous.

worlddrum13 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:22:31 AM »

im not sure how the $15,000 AU converts to us dollars, but thats priced about 13,500 more than its worth. and thats being generous

ekpent · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:40:54 AM »

The speedo mounted into the headlight bucket is kind of old school cool though. Might give somebody here an idea.

wookie · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2011, 09:42:21 AM »

You would think for 15g that he would at least replace all the crusty hardware. If he missed those details, the 'no expense spared engine' should be suspect.

UK Pete · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:33:52 AM »

The only thing i can see wrong with that bike is the price
I kinda like cafed F1's and 2's,
Pete

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2011, 03:51:14 PM »

Quote from: TipperT on April 10, 2011, 08:12:52 AM

If that is what is being turned out in Oz, Terry and Retro are kings at this stuff!

I can see it now, Terry and Retro's Vintage Cycle shop popping up on Cafe Racer. Is that show even on anymore?

I have never built one of those but think even I could do a better job than that guy.

We ain't building "coffee runners" or what ever you call them, but we should be millionaires after about 3 builds each at those prices.....

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:56:29 PM »

Looks like Crapy has emigrated to the crikey land!!!

dave500 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2011, 09:35:17 PM »

pretty lame for the price,single front disc,throw away the rear guard,pods and black paint,and a mural that looks like it belongs on a ketchup bottle,why dont we all ask stupid questions of him?

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:21:34 PM »

Quote from: Industrial-sized Dukiedook on April 10, 2011, 08:56:29 PM

Looks like Crapy has emigrated to the crikey land!!!

Don't tell anyone mate, but Carpy (a Brit by birth) lived in Oz before he moved to the US. I think the taste police ran him outta town...........

cobrajunkie · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2011, 05:40:00 AM »

The bike is certainly over priced but as far as looks, other than the tasteless graphic, it captured the look that this market is after and well done. Does the cafe craze help or hurt the resale of the classic OE bikes?

RickB · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2011, 06:11:40 AM »

Terry you need to go to Sydney, it's huge there. Deus seem to have done it all on their own.

Having been rebuilding a CB400F down here in Australia for the past two years, I can see why this guy is hoping to get $15,000 it. That's about what it would have cost him to get to that point. He's probably just looking to get what he put in.

If the engine was done by Andrew Pud from Pud's Parts then he's not cheap, I can imagine that that would have cost $3000 at least. He probably got the bike as a runner for anywhere between $3000 to $8000, as you know, that's what a decent CB750 goes for down here. So conservatively he's already getting up around $10k.

Does that mean the market will pay $15k for essentially a tricked up black CB750? Well as I said, go buy a cafe, bobber, flattracker etc already built from Deus and you'll pay close to that. Or a new Hinckley Triumph for $12k - $15k for a similar look. If you want the look, then you'll pay the price. Which is what that whole cafe thing is about these days right, the look?

I look at that attitude like this. If you've got $15k and you want something 'cool', you're not going to get a Porsche. You don't know a thing about bikes so you're not going to buy a beater and restore it. You'll go to Deus (or this guy) and pay $15k for something that runs and looks the part. Fashion, marketing, trends... Nothing new.

Hell I would have spent close to $15k over two years on my little CB400F and it's still not running!

If this type of bike building/selling keeps guys like Pud's Parts in business, then I'm all for it. It might also mean I could get what I put into my bike one day, right? Right?

Rick.

ev0lve · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2011, 06:48:25 AM »

Quote from: RickB on April 11, 2011, 06:11:40 AM

Having been rebuilding a CB400F down here in Australia for the past two years, I can see why this guy is hoping to get $15,000 it. That's about what it would have cost him to get to that point. He's probably just looking to get what he put in.

If the engine was done by Andrew Pud from Pud's Parts then he's not cheap, I can imagine that that would have cost $3000 at least. He probably got the bike as a runner for anywhere between $3000 to $8000, as you know, that's what a decent CB750 goes for down here. So conservatively he's already getting up around $10k.

Hmmm, knee jerk reaction... subsiding. Mind....opening.

A while back I sold a set of clipons on ebay. Nothing special I figured. They ended up selling to a fellow in Aus and the shipping was almost twice the price of the item. He didn't flinch and thanked me profusely when he got them.

Are you guys just not swimming in bits down there? Prices are rising on this side of the world as well but I only just started considering you guys may pay a serious premium for parts, and maybe by extension service, down under.

Kwality · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »

Collingwood, Terry, Collingwood.

RickB · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2011, 07:23:35 AM »

Service is almost non existent. At least when compared to the US. There's three guys in my state, Victoria, that will even touch old Honda's. Then you're looking at a 6 month wait. Pud's Parts, the guy that worked on the eBay bike, has had my mates CB200 engine since December. All that needed was assembly, all the engineering was already done. He's only just said he won't get to it for another couple months. We took it to another guy.

I took my 1975 CB400F to the Honda dealer in my local town to get it Dyno'ed. When I mentioned it needed some care when taking the spark plugs out, they wouldn't touch it. That was the Honda dealer.

The 'custom bike builder' mentioned in the eBay listing is Modern Motorclycle Company in Collingwood. They charge $95 a hour but don't do anything more than electrics and 'custom' work. No engineering/welding.

Parts is the same. I just bought a used starter motor from Sydney for $85 plus $15 shipping. If I had got that from the US I would pay $25-$35 (look on ebay right now). Shipping would have been at least $30, but I'd have to wait 14-21 days. Any aftermarket part is likely to have these costs built into it.

Nothing is cheap here. Parts are hard to find and services harder. The good news is the Australian dollar is now worth MORE than the US dollar for the first time since the eighties.

Rick.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2011, 03:36:42 PM »

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Does that mean the market will pay $15k for essentially a tricked up black CB750? Well as I said, go buy a cafe, bobber, flattracker etc already built from Deus and you'll pay close to that. Or a new Hinckley Triumph for $12k - $15k for a similar look. If you want the look, then you'll pay the price. Which is what that whole cafe thing is about these days right, the look?

Rick, i do not wish to get into a pissing match mate but that bike is NOT worth 15-16 grand mate. I paid 150 bucks for my F1 and could have it looking like that for no where that amount of money. I understand you like these bikes but there is no way in hell i would pay anything like that much money for an ugly bike like that. How can you compare a new Triumph to a 40 year old bike or even Deus bikes, and i think Deus are overpriced as well. Did you go to the Honda anniversary Do in Queensland.? You could have bought some very nice original bikes for a lot less than those over priced piles of parts. Seriously mate, there is no way at all that black thing is worth anywhere close to that type of money. Also i buy ALL my parts overseas, most stuff here is way overpriced. There are lots of guys around that work on these bikes and in your state there are also plenty, Terry does full rebuilds as well. Cafe bikes are completely over rated in my opinion, cut of all the bits you don't need, modify a few bits and devalue the original.? How is this worth more...? I spoke to Pud at the Honda anniversary, nice guy but too expensive. If you know parts are cheaper overseas then why buy them local......I don't get it..?

ev0lve · « **Reply #24 on:** April 11, 2011, 04:35:37 PM »

The question is really... Why am I not filling a container up to sell to you suckers?

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Author Topic: Cafe Racers in Oz, it had to happen, I suppose................. (Read 5724 times)