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What should I look for in a used TIG?
« on: April 11, 2011, 05:49:32 PM »
I am in the market for a used TIG.  It is not worth getting one unless it is going to do a nice job (once I can do a good job, of course).

I am interested in using it for aluminum.  I am rather fond of the MIG that I have when it comes to steel.

Anyone have suggestions for models, things to look for in used units?

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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 06:21:17 PM »
needs to have a variable output,  unlike my MIG with the TIG pack.  water cooled torch head would be nice too.
the Millers i've used are nice.  i'm not a welder by trade so i'm sure someone else has better input.

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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 11:56:20 AM »
I know very little about welding aluminum at this point , but I understand it takes a special machine like the one we are setting up.

I think the ones that can do a square wave  are best for aluminum, and they have more control.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 04:19:42 PM »
Though I haven't done it I'm aware you can weld aluminum with your MIG, but you'll have to buy a spool-gun for it.  The problem is that aluminum wire doesn't feed well and will jam up in the standard MIG cable.  I believe you have to reverse the polarity from what you use for steel and I'm not sure what gas (mix) you have to use with it.  I do know the gun is somewhat expensive and of course you need a TIG - really, everyone needs a TIG. 
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 01:22:08 AM »
Though I haven't done it I'm aware you can weld aluminum with your MIG, but you'll have to buy a spool-gun for it.  The problem is that aluminum wire doesn't feed well and will jam up in the standard MIG cable.  I believe you have to reverse the polarity from what you use for steel and I'm not sure what gas (mix) you have to use with it.  I do know the gun is somewhat expensive and of course you need a TIG - really, everyone needs a TIG.

Reversed polarity is about right, it makes a green spark.

 I was around it in the marine industry but I didn't  see much more than that.  I had another job to do, with welders in fact. We were sort-of welding with sikaflex, blowing it out with pneumatic caulk guns.  People I worked with did most of their projects with steel at home and gel-cote at work.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 06:18:24 AM »
I am aware of aluminum spool guns for MIGs, as well as the different gas requirements.  But I dont really want to use a mig for it.  I like using the MIG, but sometimes its hard to get a nice weld  with a gun, and I am sure it gets harder when you add the weight of a spool to the gun.

I really want a TIG for control, and now that I think about it I would like to use it for both steel and aluminum.  I am not sure what is required for that.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:28 AM »
First time I saw people offering welding of cast metal was at steamboat AHRMA/ AMA races in 1998. Before then it was relatively unheard of  if not totally unheard of.

We were marveled when we saw it offered as a way to fix cooling fins, etc.

Now it is just something you or anyone can learn to do. I guess there is still some artist hand in the matter, that will reveal itself in the actual work.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 01:19:14 AM »
We used a pretty run-off-the-mill type of welder (albeit running on industrial current) when I worked as a welder/fabricator years ago. It had all the usual amperage/voltage control knobs as well as the AC/DC toggles. Nothing over complicated.
We predominantly welded thin gauge Alu; min 1.2mm to a max of 3mm. For the really thin stuff, instant control was necessary and for that we had "accelerator" pedals.
Argon at 100% is the gas to use. It's much cheaper than Helium. Helium is more efficient and protects the smelt pool better, but has a tendency to be a little 'flighty' and therefore you need a much greater flow which makes it even more expensive.
For the thin Ally we used 0.8 to 1.00 mm rods. Buy a couple of packets of these 'cos you'll be going thru them like hot potatoes when you're starting off.
Yeah, we had an Ally MIG machine as well. But we spent a long time extricating the ally wire each time it jammed up. What used to happen was that the last blob of ally in your previous weld would glue itself to the welding gun tip, so unless you regularly sprayed the tip with a spray-on lubricator, you'd be there forever disconnecting, extricating, cutting, reconnecting.
It made it even worse if someone had folded the welder cabling etc. This would kink the plastic conduit for the weld wire with obvious consequences.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 04:50:28 AM »
These things are stickn' expensive.  There are only a couple for sale around me, one for $500 and one for $1000.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 12:36:06 PM »
mighs dont come cheap. dont know the quality or if tis worth getting but hf has one for relatively cheap. of course you get what you pat for.
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Re: What should I look for in a used TIG?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 10:04:06 PM »
I got mine used for $600 It was in a factory but only used one shift for a couple years, it is a Miller Synchrowave 250 it has a water cooler and hi-freq for aluminum. I've had it a couple years with no issues. My cousin knew an employee there and got us the pick of the ones for sale.
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