Topic: Drunks drive better than old people???

[cbjunkie]

all i know is that when i comes to dating, 36 is "almost 40"... 

[bill440cars]

bill,how about the slow person in the fast lane and wont get the hell outa the way when you flash your lights at em.i deal with tha every day.

Oh yeah, I know, I've had some of them myself. Not a good thing. I don't know if it's nation wide but, in Arkansas, you can run in the fast lane on the interstate unless someone comes up behind you. You best not cause a disruption in the traffic because there is a law about that. You're supposed to move to the slow lane, if approached from the rear. I also don't have good feelings about the people who just have to pass you and then slow down just enough that you end up passing them again. I've passed people 3 or 4 times like that. I believe this could go on forever and the people who do these things might be young, old or whatever. It's like some of these people are out to mess up someone's day.
                                                      Later on duster, take care.   Bill

[ElCheapo]

all i know is that when i comes to dating, 36 is "almost 40"... 

and 40 is 50 

[cbjunkie]

holy sh*t. i'm 50. i might as well slice my forearms...

[DammitDan]

I heard from a guy at work today who almost ran over a classic Vespa that was doing 25mph on a 50mph speed limit highway (where people normally go 60-65mph).  Came over a blind hill and BAM had to swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid squashing him.  And what's worse?  My co-worker stops at a stoplight ahead and the guy on the vespa comes up behind him, gets off, taps on his window and starts cussing him out and saying he called the cops on account of my co-worker's "reckless driving".  Wow he was steamed when he told me that story...  Says he waited for the cops and talked his way out of a ticket.  Not that I think he could have gotten one... citizen's arrest doesn't really work over here in Tennessee.

I had conflicting opinions while he told me this story...  At first I wanted to stand up for the motorcyclist (because of that whole brotherhood thang), but then again is it really smart to go 25mph of a major 2-lane highway?  It really would have been the Vespa's fault if someone had rear-ended him for creating a dangerous situation (although that's not what the law would say...)

 - Dan-0

[Bob Wessner]

That would be one huge speed differential. I've seen several Vespa-types here, but most are smart enough to realize the impact they have and really hug the right shoulder, much like you would expect bicyclists to do.. except here in in Ann Arbor where they tend to be an elitist bunch and think its fine to ride two and three across blocking an entire lane. 

[fishtoft]

Driving under the influence of drink or drugs is against the law. at the present time old people are legal, also ask an insurance company which is the better risk, old or young? , needless to say I hate drunk drivers!

[Bob Wessner]

at the present time old people are legal

Hope it stays that way for a while longer. 

[ElCheapo]

Its actually a ticket here to drive a hair dyrer on the highway 

I would have asked him if he told the cops that he was doing 25mph on a 50mph speed limit highway. Then I would promise to back over his blender if he did not get his scrawny but back on stupid thing and sissy away.   

Driving under the influence of drink or drugs is against the law. at the present time old people are legal, also ask an insurance company which is the better risk, old or young? , needless to say I hate drunk drivers!

I hate drunk drivers too, here is scarry. Drunk drivers encounter the old lost driver 

[cbjunkie]

uh - what was the posted speed?? 50 - so, not a MIN-40 zone i guess...otherwise...HIS FAULT.

driving home last night (city - St.Louis) across the long bridge that crosses the rail lines, a six-lane bridge, the far right lane was a skinny white kid on some kind of scoot - he looked pretty pathetic going about 20, and a couple of cars narrowly missed clipping him. StL is a stupid place to ride any kind of 2-wheeler, IMO, but this kind of recklessness can only be cause by a healthy dose of naivete - there are other routes to take, quieter routes.

do scooter riders think they are motorcycle riders? if you can't accelerate to manuever away from a potential hazard you should stick to sidewalks. if you can't "swim with the fishes" stay out of the damn stream.

j.out

[bill440cars]

uh - what was the posted speed?? 50 - so, not a MIN-40 zone i guess...otherwise...HIS FAULT.

do scooter riders think they are motorcycle riders? if you can't accelerate to manuever away from a potential hazard you should stick to sidewalks. if you can't "swim with the fishes" stay out of the damn stream.

j.out

             I don't know what scooter riders think. I don't know if they CAN think. I just wonder what
     it's going to take. I've seen people on those little "Crotch Rockets" and kids on those small
     scooters and those electric scooters. It just makes me wonder why they are allowed on the
     street. It's like saying , "Here I am, Hit Me!"
                                                                        Later on,  Bill

[snorklefork]

if the laws are anything like those in austin, or texas in general you can not ride a scooter on a highway unless it's 200cc or more. why someone would buy one that big reather than a small bike is beyond me. maybe they like to feel like theyr'e sitting in a chair while they ride. but the way i look at it they are one way or another on the same side i don't give them "the wave" or anything but wer'e all trying to avoid being crushed by soccer moms in escalades just the same. having been at one time or another a driver of a car and a full time cyclist before buying my honda i'd like to say people in cars, in general, suck... myself included. driving a two ton pos inevitably breeds violence in people. i'd take a town over run with scooters, like austin is headed, over the bs auto traffic that plagues the roads all over this red like a hemoroid state.

[Terry in Australia]

Oh no, here we go again folks, we've all taken a swipe at harley riders, car drivers, crotch rockets etc, so now it's time to get stuck into scooter-folk? What's up with you guys? Do you consider yourself to be some kind of an elite group of your own?

Geez louise, if it's got two wheels, regardless of the seating position or where it's made, it's a bike, and we should afford the riders the same courtesy and respect we reserve for other motorcyclists.

Sure, there are dickheads on scooters, same as there are dickheads in cars, and for that matter on sohc4's. Get over it guys, it aint healthy to continually look for faults fault in other demographics. Terry.

[cbjunkie]

all due respect terry - what the heck are you talking about?

if someone is doing 20 mph on a 40 mph road he needs to pull over. that ain't discrimination on our part it's blinding stupidity on his.

[Terry in Australia]

all due respect terry - what the heck are you talking about?

if someone is doing 20 mph on a 40 mph road he needs to pull over. that ain't discrimination on our part it's blinding stupidity on his.

G'Day CBJ, well anyone can drive/ride at 20 Mph, so the problem of blinding stupidity isn't just confined to scooter folk, knowing that most modern scooters can easily keep up with traffic.

Due to Mr Bush's war in Iraq and the fallout that is reflected in our current fuel prices, a scooter is a sensible alternative to commuting in two tons of gas guzzling American muscle right now, so you can expect to encounter more scooters on the road, not less. Cheers, Terry.

[DammitDan]

AAHHH!!! What I have started?

I didn't mean to say that scooters are worse or better than anything else out there... In fact, have you seen the latest scooters coming out from Honda?  Sheesh those things are like Goldwings!

[Terry in Australia]

AAHHH!!! What I have started?

I didn't mean to say that scooters are worse or better than anything else out there... In fact, have you seen the latest scooters coming out from Honda?  Sheesh those things are like Goldwings!

That's it Dan, if we're gonna #$%*, let's #$%* about the person in control, not the machine they're operating................. Cheers, Terry.

[GroovieGhoulie]

Rising gas prices is what helped inspire my bike purchase (and my entry into motorcycling).  I'm stationed in Louisiana and while I wasn't hit by Katrina, I got beat up by Rita and gas stations were out of gas for two and three weeks and when gas DID get into town, there were lines for miles.  Since then, it made less sense making the short commute to work and banging around town in a two-ton vehicle with only myself and my wallet for cargo.  I NEEDED something that sipped gas.  I started looking at bikes.  My criteria were:

Cheap
Honda
small-displacement (I like small bikes)

My dad owned a few 350 Twins back in the late '60s and early '70s and said nothing but good things about them.  So I started checking eBay for Honda 350s and one day 6 bikes showed up and they were all twins, but one was a four-cylinder.  What's this?  A FOUR-CYLINDER 350?  I was intrigued to say the least.  I began researching the 350/Four and came across this site.  The SOHC Fours were, and are, everthing I wanted in a motorcycle.  Started banging around the idea of a 550, but then I saw a picture of the 400F and after seeing that swoopy exhaust, flat bars, rearsets, slabsided tank and 6-speed box, well it was over.  I NEEDED the factory "Cafe Racer".  The fact that I get insane mileage is like a bonus. 

If something like that happens again, (Rita) I would siphon the gas from my car to feed the bike.  It got real hairy there for a while and I think I was on fumes for a while. 

Now I'm glad I got into it.  Riding has opened a part of my soul I never knew existed.  I can never go back.  That little Honda was like the Red Pill in the Matrix.  It changed my life.  I love it so much.

[ElCheapo]

I think you should just pick the right tool for the right job. In my town getting out of 4th is hard to do not to mention not safe on my 750. Scooters do ok in town as no speed limit is over 45. YES, I was speeding to get to 4th  Riding the 750 in town is akin to driving a sports car in golf cart (EV - Electric Vehicle) community. Personally I think scooters and EV's are a great idea for small communities and a big middle finger up at the rising oil prices of the fat cats. Considering most "in town" traffic is not supposed to be above 35 in just about everywhere except for the side streets which it is 25. I even have a buddy working on a decent scooter set up that is new, will do 50mph (probably 12mph with me on it) but anyway he is working on a trailer when he can find the time to make scooter in town more useful. For EV's and scooters to be reality here we will have to equip them much like my avatar to fight off Escalades and other vehicles like them. There is too many MACHO idiots to make it a reality. If a good portion of our population was using EV's or scoots I would find one that fits my needs in town. Sad part is we have one of the top EV builders in the country based here (Columbia ParCar) and we use no EV's. Naturally my EV would do a quarter mile Jessie James style.

Scooters just do not belong on the 55mph twisties with me. Nor do old lost people or other crappy drivers.

I know I will have to search long and hard to find a place to Ton Up safely on the CB 605 Cafe Racer.  The longest straight stretch we have here is the one I got T-boned in the car last fall by that DAMN deer, which I kicked, spit on, stomped on, and swore at 

[cbjunkie]

sorry. guess i should have clarified my anecdote for the critics. the DUMBASS i saw driving his scoot at 20 in a 40 should get on the sidewalk. all scoots willing to run with the rest are A-OK by me. bring on the scoot parade!!!

bring it!

i love scoots!

why, some of my best friends ride scoots!

yay.

[bill440cars]

               I know there is nothing wrong with scooters, my problem is with parents allowing their kids
       (who are obviously under the age of proper driver's license age) out on the street on a scooter!
       There are some scooter operators who are responsible & try to keep up with the flow and all. But,
       what I'm mainly talking about is the miniature road racer looking ones and the little electric ones.
       They (the little road racers) shouldn't be allowed on the street!! I've seen occasional ones out on
       hwy 71 (which is a major hwy) in rush hour traffic!! I mean as I came up to where I 1st saw him (I
       didn't know what he was on and then I saw the little bitty pocket rocket ( crotchrocket or
       whatever you want to call it) in the lane beside me. And then there's the little electric ones. I've
       seen kids out in traffic and at night when you could just barely see them. To me, both of these
       situations are accidents waiting to happen. Then the parents will be wondering, "What was I
       thinking?" I hope I have clarified my position. Later on, Bill

[clarkjh]

The kids need a license to drive them around here,  age 14, same as farm tractors but faster.  They can also lose their license for the same tickets drivers of cars/bikes get.

James

[crazypj]

Oh no, here we go again folks, we've all taken a swipe at harley riders, car drivers, crotch rockets etc, so now it's time to get stuck into scooter-folk? What's up with you guys? Do you consider yourself to be some kind of an elite group of your own?

Geez louise, if it's got two wheels, regardless of the seating position or where it's made, it's a bike, and we should afford the riders the same courtesy and respect we reserve for other motorcyclists.

Sure, there are dickheads on scooters, same as there are dickheads in cars, and for that matter on sohc4's. Get over it guys, it aint healthy to continually look for faults fault in other demographics. Terry.

I'm with Terry on this, careful people, your predjudice is showing. No need to 'divide and conquer' doing a pretty good job all on our own.
Heres an original quote for you though.
'I'm not good because I'm fast, I'm fast because I'm good'
PJ

[clarkjh]

I'm digging on scooters, I think every driver should be retested every 5 years, me included

James

[clarkjh]

I'm NOT digging on scooters, I think every driver should be retested every 5 years, me included

James