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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #100 on: May 11, 2011, 08:17:22 PM »
Ah, thanks fast!  Looks like good stuff!

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #101 on: May 12, 2011, 03:35:55 PM »
Well, as the proud owner of a Guzzi Le-Mans III I am not exactly happy about your name choice..... for old hands like me a Le-Mans means a fast 850 Guzzis, period.

Very good job regardless. As i need to build a new seat for one of my racers, was looking at your GF build technique. So do you ommit making a negative mold, lay the layers directly on the foam and then melt the foam?

Compliments on your sculpting skills, you are hearing this from an industrial design manager :)

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #102 on: May 12, 2011, 09:31:25 PM »

Ringo.. Beautiful, creative bodywork! Just curious... How did you maintain symmetry? Thanks. RR

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #103 on: May 12, 2011, 09:41:49 PM »
Very nice 8)
 I also Love the body work.

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« Reply #104 on: May 12, 2011, 10:02:20 PM »
TG, I was unable to find any substance that would dissolve the florist foam I used.  On my next glass project, I will be using the standard foam-board insulation type stuff (light pink or blue).  Polystyrene if I recall.  Acetone will dissolve it nicely.

Instead, I had to scrape it out and then sandblast the remaining foam away.  This worked well for the fuel tank, as the fuel liner needed a rough surface to bond to. 

I omitted the negative mold, yes.  For a racer, you might benefit by having less weight if you choose to make a negative mold.  (less filler needed for the end product)  It would certainly add more work to the project though.  And for me, doing it the easy way took a massive amount of time (100-150 hours) already, so the extra step of a neg mold was too much.


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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #105 on: May 12, 2011, 11:16:55 PM »
Well, as the proud owner of a Guzzi Le-Mans III I am not exactly happy about your name choice..... for old hands like me a Le-Mans means a fast 850 Guzzis, period.

never mind that! for me the good name of the 1977 pontiac lemans is forever sullied by this, this... motorcycle!   :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #106 on: May 13, 2011, 01:07:48 AM »
Thanks for the detailed reply ringo,

ok, thats what i thought, and yes, straight laying on the foam buck = equals more weight. could you weight your seat unit just to get an idea? who knows, maybe its not THAT heavy....

Think I am going to simply CAD the shape, mill foam in the CNC at work and send over to a pro GF guy to make the part.... the good thing with a negative is is that you can always make more parts out of it for profit though ;) I could easily see people wanting to buy your stuff with the current cafe craze raging

I do most everything on my bike and build my own race motors but my small underground garage will be a mess if i start sanding foam and GF..... that's the one bit i just cant handle!

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At least Guzzi participated in the 24 hours race in Le-Mans back at the time, so had a real reason to use the name. Dont think a Pontiac ever put a foot on that track back in them 60's (or ever after) right?
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #107 on: May 13, 2011, 01:23:22 AM »
just skimmed over this build...... i think i want to have sex with you  :o

beautiful build wow

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« Reply #108 on: May 13, 2011, 02:05:25 AM »
TG, there's a couple factors at play here that have nothing to do with how the tank/seat is molded.   Whatever method you choose, the deal breaker will be body filler.  First off, how perfect you can get your foam mold before laying the glass will substantially affect the end weight (and with CAD and a CNC, that's as good as it gets!).  More low spots to fill = more filler.  This can be remedied by building up the glass higher than the required thickness for the strength you need, then sanding down all high spots to match the lows, bringing you to your desired thickness, which will be the same regardless of your mold type.  (I know you know this, but for the sake of all who read this...)  It worked pretty well for me on the seat, where the outside layer was pure fiberglass. 

It did not work well on the tank, where large sections of the outer layer were Kevlar.  Kevlar can't be sanded down, so any low areas have to be built up.  Add to that the fact that I had to coat the inside with a thick coat of fuel liner, and the end weight of the tank is right around that of the stock steel tank (maybe more!).

The seat on the other hand, is incredibly light.  I don't have a scale that is accurate that low, but comparing it to dumbell weights, I would put it at 2 to 3 pounds.  Maybe less.

The only problem with offering reproductions of my seat is that it is tailor-made to my frame, which is not at all stock in the rear!

And you're right about the mess from fiberglass and foam...it's ridiculous!  ;)



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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #109 on: May 13, 2011, 07:16:37 AM »
The only problem with offering reproductions of my seat is that it is tailor-made to my frame, which is not at all stock in the rear!
Not to mention, it's cool to have the only one in the world. :)
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #110 on: May 13, 2011, 02:32:52 PM »
well, here's my way of saying thanks for the info ;)

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #111 on: May 13, 2011, 02:52:54 PM »
Great pics...love how filthy the car is in the last one.

And for the record, it's not a Le Mans, but a Le Mans Special, in recognition of McQueen and the Gulf colors that dominated the race.   ;)  Not trying to step on anyone's toes.

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #112 on: May 13, 2011, 03:18:13 PM »
yeah, that second picture with the king of cool hanging out in the pits is awesome!

his son chad said in an interview that he got a ride in the porsche during filming.

must suck to have steve mcqueen as your dad.
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2011, 12:55:16 PM »
I'm not a big fan of pulling the carb rack on this bike, so I've been putting this off for a little while,  but I finally got the jetting dialed.  I rebuilt the carbs this winter with 110 main jets in anticipation of the velocity stacks and open exhaust.  Full throttle was really nice, but mid-range was struggling with a little hesitation upon cracking the throttle.  And there was some occasional faint popping at idle. 

I figured with the intake/exhaust changes I made it was running lean across the board.  It was sure acting like my last bike with similar changes and a lean mid-range.  So I raised the needles one notch and it ran much worse.  After that I was out of notches to raise them,  so I lowered them one notch past where they were.  Instantly better.  It's now very smooth rolling on the throttle from idle to full.  Interestingly, lowering the needles also did away with the popping at idle. 

So for those with stacks and open/lightly baffled exhausts: 110 mains, middle notch on the needles, and one turn out on the idle mixture screws is working great for me.  Your results may vary.

Oh, and I got sick of pulling the carb rack to adjust the needles, so I bent an old phillips head screwdriver at a 90* angle to get at the slide cover screws on top of the carbs.  I'm sure they make a tool for this, but I'm a DIYer.  Anyways, problem solved!

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #114 on: May 22, 2011, 11:13:15 AM »
Ringo, you may have already answered this, but what size wheels & tires are you running?
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special"
« Reply #115 on: May 22, 2011, 07:13:50 PM »
Hey man, stock rims- 19x1.85 and 18x1.85.  Tires are 90/90-19 and 110/90-18.

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« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2011, 06:23:52 AM »
That's great, thanks for the info.
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2011, 10:21:20 AM »
The bike weighed in today at 330 lbs dry.  Assuming wikipedia is accurate in their dry weight of 420lbs for a stock cb550, that's 90 lbs shaved off.  Wow.

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« Reply #118 on: May 29, 2011, 08:51:02 AM »
The bike weighed in today at 330 lbs dry.  Assuming wikipedia is accurate in their dry weight of 420lbs for a stock cb550, that's 90 lbs shaved off.  Wow.
Wow is right!

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #119 on: May 29, 2011, 09:10:46 AM »
Amazing!

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #120 on: May 30, 2011, 06:29:58 AM »
not to doubt your figures..... so you must be some kind of magician then

my race only bike is 320 and that's WITHOUT lot of stuff that you do have on your bike:

side stand,
generator
lights
heavy stock carbs
switch gear
electric starter
kick starter

so that's all stuff i DONT have and on top of it mine has lightweight discs, ally rims, CR carbs, 350 rear hub, etc.

and i know i am not the only 500 racer to weight around 320...

so 330 for a street legal bike? just want to know your secret.... ;)

TG

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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #121 on: May 30, 2011, 08:00:14 AM »
my race only bike is 320 and that's WITHOUT lot of stuff that you do have on your bike:
What's your tank made of, and do you still have your stock subframe?
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #122 on: May 30, 2011, 08:43:39 AM »
I could always weigh the pile of scrap metal and plastic that's not on the bike anymore. 
I did use a bathroom scale, combining the front and rear weights.  But seeing as I'm of the nitpicker breed a little myself, I could hunt down an industrial scale to park it on...?  Or take photos of the reading on the scale?  Or both?  :)

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« Reply #123 on: May 30, 2011, 08:52:52 AM »
I could always weigh the pile of scrap metal and plastic that's not on the bike anymore. 
I did use a bathroom scale, combining the front and rear weights.  But seeing as I'm of the nitpicker breed a little myself, I could hunt down an industrial scale to park it on...?  Or take photos of the reading on the scale?  Or both?  :)
When you had one end on the scale, did you have the other end propped up to the same height?  If not, then you'll get an artificially low reading.
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Re: '75 CB550K - "Le Mans Special" - 90lbs lost on the diet
« Reply #124 on: May 30, 2011, 09:02:54 AM »
I had the bike on a 2x6, to help roll it onto the scale.  So maybe 1/2" lower overall than the scale,  not enough to make a remarkable difference.

TG, out of curiosity, what kind of exhaust are you running?  Fairing?  All the aluminum isn't hurting me either... top clamp, brake stay, v stacks, exhaust hanger, etc.

It would be one thing if I randomly estimated the weight, but scales don't lie (too much).