thanks fellas,ill go the new sata,we have a long weekend again and ill probably finish early today so itll be clean install time(again,just did it two weeks ago)in the past ive tried those drive copy programs with limited success,fail to boot etc.,my neighbour is a programmer so if i get stuck i call him over for help,i have an old standby rig to keep going,if the noises this drive is doing were coming from a transmission youd have to pull over!