Author Topic: Dorothy III - CB750  (Read 104486 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #325 on: October 01, 2015, 06:41:52 AM »
How do you get out the spring pin that holds the kickstart shaft? Number 9.

ITs a bear. Many threads on this, when I did mine a few years ago. Settled on a small vicegrip; squeeeze what bit of the pin you can reach and tap up on the vice grips. Once it moves, reposition the VG to grab a little more and repeat.
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #326 on: October 01, 2015, 06:44:50 AM »
Thanks!  I will take my time, left it aside yesterday.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #327 on: October 01, 2015, 06:57:02 AM »
Thanks!  I will take my time, left it aside yesterday.
Oh yeah, I remember now. Once setting the vice grip, I used a long screwdriver (maybe it was a tire iron) to pry on it. There was some point that made an obvious fulcrum. Once it moves, reposition the grips and repeat.
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline MoMo

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,275
  • Ride like you're invisible
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #328 on: October 01, 2015, 07:34:30 AM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #329 on: October 01, 2015, 07:36:49 AM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Right!  You do.  I suppose they are compatible 1970 - 1975, right?  I will buy it from you.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #330 on: October 01, 2015, 07:39:07 AM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry
That pin can only go one direction. If you tap on it it stops against the floor of the hole its in. It must be withdrawn.

I think I'm remembering correctly.
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline MoMo

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,275
  • Ride like you're invisible
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #331 on: October 01, 2015, 07:45:46 AM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Right!  You do.  I suppose they are compatible 1970 - 1975, right?  I will buy it from you.


K7/8 trans, maybe someone knows compatibility issues, I don't...Larry

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #332 on: October 01, 2015, 07:48:44 AM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Right!  You do.  I suppose they are compatible 1970 - 1975, right?  I will buy it from you.

I will check into it.  Maybe invidual gears can be replaced only.

K7/8 trans, maybe someone knows compatibility issues, I don't...Larry
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline Stev-o

  • Ain't no
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 34,385
  • Central Texas
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #333 on: October 01, 2015, 03:21:31 PM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Right!  You do.  I suppose they are compatible 1970 - 1975, right?  I will buy it from you.


K7/8 trans, maybe someone knows compatibility issues, I don't...Larry

The sprocket shaft is different, The K7-8 is longer if I remember correctly. It could be used but the chain will not align correctly with the rear sprocket.
'74 "Big Bang" Honda 750K [836].....'76 Honda 550F.....K3 Park Racer!......and a Bomber!............plus plus plus.........

Offline MoMo

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,275
  • Ride like you're invisible
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #334 on: October 01, 2015, 05:00:27 PM »
Certainly are worn.  Won't a pin punch drive that out?  Remember I have a later model trans complete...Larry

Right!  You do.  I suppose they are compatible 1970 - 1975, right?  I will buy it from you.


K7/8 trans, maybe someone knows compatibility issues, I don't...Larry

The sprocket shaft is different, The K7-8 is longer if I remember correctly. It could be used but the chain will not align correctly with the rear sprocket.



If the gears are the same , it'd be a cheap fix for Prokop as I'd sell real cheap

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #335 on: October 02, 2015, 04:30:05 AM »
I will do my reaserch and get back to you, Larry.  I could be only swapping gears, keeping shafts.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #336 on: October 02, 2015, 04:31:41 AM »
I took apart the head, Frank was right. knee mill is the easiest way to compress valve springs, it worked like a charm.

In K0 style, no guide seals on intake side - I removed two already here.  Loved the tight fit of under the spring washers, they were hard to remove because of tight tolerancies.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 04:35:46 AM by 70CB750 »
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #337 on: October 02, 2015, 04:40:39 AM »
The underside.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #338 on: October 02, 2015, 04:42:15 AM »
How do you get out the spring pin that holds the kickstart shaft? Number 9.

ITs a bear. Many threads on this, when I did mine a few years ago. Settled on a small vicegrip; squeeeze what bit of the pin you can reach and tap up on the vice grips. Once it moves, reposition the VG to grab a little more and repeat.

Got it out yesterday, vice grips and twisting motion worked easy enough, thank you.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #339 on: October 02, 2015, 04:47:28 AM »
This was my Robinson Crusoe moment; somebody worked the intake the way Hondaman describes in his book.

« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 04:53:35 AM by 70CB750 »
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,068
  • I refuse...
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #340 on: October 02, 2015, 04:52:34 AM »
perhaps an answer as to why #4 would not synchronize equally with the others? A DIY porting job that created unequal port flows. Apologies if you previously stated the rebuild specs, but what is the intention on the motor? Stock rebuild or "turned up" a touch?
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #341 on: October 02, 2015, 05:05:25 AM »
Could be the porting job; also I remember once she ate the pin from the carburetor choke flap door; I found only the flap inside the carburetor but there are no siginificant nicks on valve or valve seat.

Plans for the engine:  if possible I will only hone and install new rings, depends how worn out cylinders are; with only minor improvements such as aftermarket tensioner and replacing worn out parts.

She had all the power I cared to use and more  ;)

Now the valves have dimples where the tappet adjuster pushed on them, I may need to replace all the valves.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,068
  • I refuse...
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #342 on: October 02, 2015, 05:50:53 AM »
Now the valves have dimples where the tappet adjuster pushed on them, I may need to replace all the valves.
Ouch! If the prices of those is anything like the 5xx models  >:(
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #343 on: October 02, 2015, 05:59:43 AM »
Not sure how much 5xx go for, but the SuperSport engine was the worst - valves, springs, retainers and guides plus 2 Neway cutters.

Looks like CycleX can fix me for reasonable price:

ENV-015    $149.00 per set of 8 (4 Intake and 4 Exhaust)
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,068
  • I refuse...
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #344 on: October 02, 2015, 06:29:35 AM »
$40@
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #345 on: October 03, 2015, 07:45:32 AM »
Cleaned pistons.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #346 on: October 03, 2015, 07:47:43 AM »
This is how one of the rings came out, looks like the little piece was riding there quite happily for a while, the break surface is not fresh.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #347 on: October 03, 2015, 07:51:09 AM »
Oil rings - I never seen oil rings like these before.

And the inner and outer rings were all lined up, meaning the gap was open.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #348 on: October 03, 2015, 08:18:58 AM »
Crankshaft out of the way and safe.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650

Offline 70CB750

  • Labor omnia vincit improbus.
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,806
  • Northern Virginia
Re: Dorothy III - CB750
« Reply #349 on: October 05, 2015, 04:49:48 AM »
The engine stand needed some additional fabrication.
Prokop
_______________
Pure Gas - find ethanol free gas station near you

I love it when parts come together.

Dorothy - my CB750
CB750K3F - The Red
Sidecar


CB900C

2006 KLR650