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Offline Terry in Australia

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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #175 on: May 07, 2011, 07:42:58 PM »
   I see it a little differently.  Having him alive, on trial, being interrogated, now that would not be discreet and would very likely inflame his followers.  And while I agree this should have come years earlier it is better late than never. 
   I think it was handled in a very smart way.  Get in, pop him, and get out quick.  Dump the body, no photos, treated as a non-entity really.  While he will always have the notoriety as the 9-11 mastermind he will soon disappear from the news cycle to  be brought out maybe once a year on the 9-11 anniversary.  The dustbin of history and in the end an unimportant individual.  After a few weeks I don't think this President or future ones should utter his name again. With the changes coming in the Middle East he will fade once out of the media spotlight.
   The other option would be getting him alive and having a trial.  It would be Osama 24/7 on the news cycle for months and maybe years.  Constant media attention to inflame his followers.  I am sure this was thought out and there was never any intention of taking him alive.  This would far outweigh any intelligence value he would provide.  He was after all the inspirational leader.  Better to get the lower level nuts and bolts guys who do the actually "work" like KSM and Ramzi bin Alsheed for interrogation.  Any info he could provide was probably gained in all the gear they swept up.
    In the end Osama played his proper part, standing in front of a bullet for the symbolic victory that this country and the democratic forces in the Middle East needed to move on.

I understand what you're saying mate, but my "discrete" comment didn't actually infer that he'd ever see the inside of a US court house. If the Seals had been able to snatch him (without leaving a wrecked blackhawk behind to tip off his pals) and whisk him away to a secret facility, they could have extracted all the information that they needed to identify the names and locations of key Al Queda members and then quietly disposed of him, or put him on ice for future use, maybe closer to the next election.

Al Queda would have erred on the side of caution and assumed that he'd been grabbed, but wouldn't advertise it, as they wouldn't want to publicly admit that their internal security had been compromised, or that the spiritual leader of their Jihad had been iced. All the while they'd be looking over their shoulders wondering when that red dot was gonna appear on their own foreheads.

Of course, they'd be wondering who inside their organisation ratted them out, (which is probably what really happened) so they'd be spending a lot of time conducting some pretty savage internal investigations, and wouldn't be willing to plan any major, expensive terrorist attacks until they'd convinced themselves that their "mission security" was back at a safe level.

As it stands now, it could be assumed that the President was prepared to compromise any tactical advantage he might have had as a result of blowing away Osama so that he could jump on TV and brag to the world that he'd brought the world's biggest boogeyman to justice. Nice temporary distraction from the state of the economy I suppose, but it was a wasted opportunity, in my humble opinion. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #176 on: May 07, 2011, 08:21:26 PM »
Better than him we have terabytes of data. His whole network is probably in there.  You may see more tactical strikes.
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« Reply #177 on: May 07, 2011, 09:00:28 PM »
Of course, they'd be wondering who inside their organisation ratted them out, (which is probably what really happened) so they'd be spending a lot of time conducting some pretty savage internal investigations, and wouldn't be willing to plan any major, expensive terrorist attacks until they'd convinced themselves that their "mission security" was back at a safe level. 

Anybody consider that the one inside the organization who ratted him out, is likely also a terrorist, and will be paid, what, 20 million by the US?
Gee, what do you suppose a lessor terrorist (now effectively moved up in an organization) will do with 20 million bucks?

Come to think of it.  It's rather a clever scam.  Jihadists against the US/west will suicide bomb for their religion.  Hey, Osama!  You aren't gonna live much longer anyway.  We can get paid 20 million if you sacrifice yourself to the US, and the US will pay our "cause",  Al Qaeda or "new" replacement org to continue the Jihad.
In return, the paying administration can continue to wage war on terroism ad infinitum and the populace will foot the bill gladly.

...or could this only happen in Hollywood DC?

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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #178 on: May 08, 2011, 04:24:45 AM »
Better than him we have terabytes of data. His whole network is probably in there.  You may see more tactical strikes.

Yeah I know Bobby, but you could have had both, and that's the shame of it. Personally, I think they should have sent a couple of your uncles over to fetch Osama, they would have done it a lot quieter, and produced a better end result. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #179 on: May 08, 2011, 04:33:54 AM »
Terry, even with the screw up in the operation, how hard would it be to claim this is the way it happened people etc and into the deep six, but hang onto him instead?
Because even the possibility of him still alive must make certain people twitch.
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #180 on: May 08, 2011, 04:58:49 AM »
Perhaps it's time to close this thread. Armchair quarterbacks have beat this topic to death and all of the "would've, could've, should have"  opinions (you know that saying) won't change one thing.
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #181 on: May 08, 2011, 05:05:32 AM »
Terry, even with the screw up in the operation, how hard would it be to claim this is the way it happened people etc and into the deep six, but hang onto him instead?
Because even the possibility of him still alive must make certain people twitch.
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Yeah, good point Bill, they couldn't keep it a secret once they parked 44 million bucks worth of Blackhawk parts in Osama's front yard, so they tell everyone that he's dead, but keep him locked up somewhere quiet. That would work, if it wasn't for the fact that the prez told us all that he's dead and buried, and we all know that presidents don't lie.......... ;D


Perhaps it's time to close this thread. Armchair quarterbacks have beat this topic to death and all of the "would've, could've, should have"  opinions (you know that saying) won't change one thing.


No, it won't change anything at all mate, but that doesn't mean we can't chat about it, does it? It's not like we've got anything more important to do, I've ridden my bike and gotten out of mowing the lawn for another week, so I got plenty of time to think about the "what if's". Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #182 on: May 08, 2011, 05:18:24 AM »
I guess we can agree to disagree then  ;)
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #183 on: May 08, 2011, 05:29:12 AM »
I guess we can agree to disagree then  ;)
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Have a good ride mate, my sister in LA tells me that the Blue Ridge Mountains is God's country, one day I'll get over there to see for myself! Cheers, Terry.  ;D

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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #184 on: May 09, 2011, 03:54:39 AM »
Blueridge  it's like this, when Terry and I become presidents or equivalent in our respective countries, we can, by discussing this, have more effective scenarios in place for dealing with enemies of the state, if you can't build on the mistakes of your friends after all why bother.
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2011, 05:36:27 PM »
Of course, they'd be wondering who inside their organisation ratted them out, (which is probably what really happened) so they'd be spending a lot of time conducting some pretty savage internal investigations, and wouldn't be willing to plan any major, expensive terrorist attacks until they'd convinced themselves that their "mission security" was back at a safe level. 

Anybody consider that the one inside the organization who ratted him out, is likely also a terrorist, and will be paid, what, 20 million by the US?
Gee, what do you suppose a lessor terrorist (now effectively moved up in an organization) will do with 20 million bucks?

Come to think of it.  It's rather a clever scam.  Jihadists against the US/west will suicide bomb for their religion.  Hey, Osama!  You aren't gonna live much longer anyway.  We can get paid 20 million if you sacrifice yourself to the US, and the US will pay our "cause",  Al Qaeda or "new" replacement org to continue the Jihad.
In return, the paying administration can continue to wage war on terroism ad infinitum and the populace will foot the bill gladly.

...or could this only happen in Hollywood DC?

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Chalk that idea up to Hollywood or Tom Clancy.  The 25 mil will not be paid out to anyone from what I have read about this issue.

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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #186 on: May 09, 2011, 06:17:32 PM »
There is a move in Congress to give the money to the 9/11 first responders for their continued care.
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Re: FBI got there most wanted
« Reply #187 on: May 09, 2011, 06:29:51 PM »
There is a move in Congress to give the money to the 9/11 first responders for their continued care.

One of the few things I'd actually be inclined to vote for...
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