Well, for one thing. Joe Rocket isn't a Vanson. I guess I was really spoiled for owning one for 8 years. Just got the Twist jacket today via UPS 5 minutes ago and its going back to newenough.com. Its pretty flimsy as far as leathers are concerned and the sleeves beeing about 5 inches too long don't help either. It puts the armor below my elbow and makes it dig in nicely. Oh well.. Great looking jacket though. I guess leathers are like helmets, you get what you pay for. Too bad. I was looking forward to this jacket.