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Leaving fuel in the tank
« on: April 18, 2006, 08:50:25 AM »
What can happen if you leave fuel in the tank for about 5 months without starting the bike? Does this cause any issues?

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 08:52:31 AM »
I'd add some fuel stabilizer if it were me.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 08:56:29 AM »
I agree on the stabilizer...also I would fill the tank to the rim to avoid condensation and the rust that follows. You didn't mention the carbs but it's also a good idea to drain them too...

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2006, 08:57:10 AM »
I'd add some fuel stabilizer if it were me.

Well couldnt you just drain the old fuel? Does this cause other problems, for instance something with the carbs?

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 09:03:58 AM »
Oh, you're talking about fuel that has been left in the tank for five months with no stabilizer? I thought you were talking about fresh fuel being stored for five months. If the former, I would get rid of it... safely that is.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 09:11:09 AM »
Oh, you're talking about fuel that has been left in the tank for five months with no stabilizer? I thought you were talking about fresh fuel being stored for five months. If the former, I would get rid of it... safely that is.

Yes the fuel has been left in the tank, sorry that I wasnt clear.

Should I worry about anything else though? Does this cause any internal engine problems?

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 09:13:07 AM »
5 months shouldnt be too bad if you can ride it long enough to burn the bulk of it off so you can add some fresh gas to it,and also buy a can of seafoam and add it to the old gas too.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2006, 10:39:29 AM »
If it were me, I would drain as much as the old fuel as possibile, and run some good gas to burn
whatever old junk is still left in there.

When ever you store fuel , it is wise to run some stabilizer in it so it doesnt go bad/ tun to water.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2006, 10:48:58 AM »
Ok I understand that stored fuel needs stabilizer but no one has really answered my question. By having fuel sit in a bike for 5 months, can that cause internal damage to the engine or other parts like the carbs? This is what I need to know.

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 10:56:34 AM »
the gas will turn to varnish in the carbs and can gum them up... as for really damaging parts... gas doesn't sit in the motor nor would it damage it cuz there is no rubber within it.  the carbs are designed to have gas in them so it shouldn't damage them either (at least not anymore than running the bike constantly)

i usually leave the gas in the tank over the winter but drain the carbs... but, then again, i usually ride all winter too.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2006, 11:12:03 AM »
the gas will turn to varnish in the carbs and can gum them up... as for really damaging parts... gas doesn't sit in the motor nor would it damage it cuz there is no rubber within it.  the carbs are designed to have gas in them so it shouldn't damage them either (at least not anymore than running the bike constantly)

i usually leave the gas in the tank over the winter but drain the carbs... but, then again, i usually ride all winter too.

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2006, 11:22:03 AM »
http://www.sohc4.us/gallery/v/custom/cafe/P8250094.JPG.html

^ bigger pic of my cb350f as you asked

also, back to the topic... the float needle should have a bit of rubber at the bottom to seal the inflow of gas... this can deteriorate over time but, in a winter's time?  most likely not.  i would say the main reason for draining the carbs would be to not have them gum up and clog all the jets.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2006, 11:27:27 AM »
I dug this up from links thru the FAQ's. In addition to the gum, or varnish issue, you get a reduction in octane rating and potentially water contamination.  The gum will, well, gum up your carbs.  But the fuel left in 'uncleaned' carbs has probably done more (than the stuff in your tank) as the volitles evaporate leaving the gum in all of the tiny holes and such.  No real damage, but a pain to clean out.  The lower the octane rating, the easier it is to burn.  If it degrades to a sufficiently low level, it will burn with compression alone, no spark plug required.  This isn't a good thing as the plugs will still fire, setting up two burn fronts.  When the two fronts collide, you get knocking, or unwanted detonation within the cylinder.  Old and/or water contaminated gas will not burn as cleanly, promote rust, etc.  Even at $3.00/gallon, you're talknig about $10 in gas.  Considering I'd rather chew off my arm than pull my carbs, I'd say it's worth a new tankfull.  Put it in your mower if you just can't let it go.

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A: "Stale" fuel is caused by improper storage, and usually smells sour. The
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reactions, and perhaps also losing volatile material in unsealed containers.
Such fuel will tend to rapidly form gums, and will usually have a significant
reduction in octane rating. The fuel can be used by blending with twice the
volume of new gasoline, but the blended fuel should be used immediately,
otherwise teh old fuel will catalyse rapid decomposition of the new,
resulting in even larger quantities of stale fuel. Some stale fuels can drop
several octane numbers, so be generous with the dilution.
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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2006, 12:07:53 PM »
I dug this up from links thru the FAQ's. In addition to the gum, or varnish issue, you get a reduction in octane rating and potentially water contamination.  The gum will, well, gum up your carbs.  But the fuel left in 'uncleaned' carbs has probably done more (than the stuff in your tank) as the volitles evaporate leaving the gum in all of the tiny holes and such.  No real damage, but a pain to clean out.  The lower the octane rating, the easier it is to burn.  If it degrades to a sufficiently low level, it will burn with compression alone, no spark plug required.  This isn't a good thing as the plugs will still fire, setting up two burn fronts.  When the two fronts collide, you get knocking, or unwanted detonation within the cylinder.  Old and/or water contaminated gas will not burn as cleanly, promote rust, etc.  Even at $3.00/gallon, you're talknig about $10 in gas.  Considering I'd rather chew off my arm than pull my carbs, I'd say it's worth a new tankfull.  Put it in your mower if you just can't let it go.

Q: What is "stale" fuel, and should I use it?

A: "Stale" fuel is caused by improper storage, and usually smells sour. The
gasoline has been allowed to get warm, thus catalysing olefin decomposition
reactions, and perhaps also losing volatile material in unsealed containers.
Such fuel will tend to rapidly form gums, and will usually have a significant
reduction in octane rating. The fuel can be used by blending with twice the
volume of new gasoline, but the blended fuel should be used immediately,
otherwise teh old fuel will catalyse rapid decomposition of the new,
resulting in even larger quantities of stale fuel. Some stale fuels can drop
several octane numbers, so be generous with the dilution.


I dont care about the fuel, Im dumping it, I was more worried about the internal damage that it could cause. As for the carbs, Im probably going to replace them with new ones.

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Re: Leaving fuel in the tank
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2006, 12:18:48 PM »
No hard-parts will be damaged by fuel going bad.
It will make your bike run like crap / not run at all, but it will not
hurt anything.
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