Topic: a downside to pods I hadn't thought of before

[phil71]

Helping a buddy out with a DOHC 750 that was running funny. I found lots of vacuum leaks at the boots. The carbs weight, now solely on the front boots was enough, with time and bumps to sag and oval out the boots some. When I went to wiggle the carbs the rack just popped out.
   I put it back together, adding some bailing wire over the frame and onto some of the screws for some strain relief. It's ugly, but helped.
   I guess the lesson is, if you eliminate the airbox, find some way to support the back of the carbs.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Support?!?! De pods don't need no stinkin' support!!!

Dey are PODZZZ!!!!!!!

[ransack]

I think I know what your saying, since the airbox pushes the carb "in place".  but when I had my KN pods on, I never had an issues with it. 

[Leanier]

I can attest to the cause of having pods and nothing to support the carbs.  Got my bike after it sat for about 20 years with just pods.  Tried to put my stock air box on and found my carbs throats were a good inch and a half to two inches to low.  The intake boots had deformed to that position, and made it super hard to get my air box on.

[xsmooth69x]

just take some really thin wire and hold the carbs up and tie it of to the frame then. you could even use fishing line

[crazypj]

I've posted about this multiple times over several years (including the old greenspun board)
use a spring on back of carb, loop of 1/16" stainless welding rod under hose clamp between 2&3.
 a zip tie works to experiment.
 you'll find mixture gets real rich as carbs droop

[Gordon]

I think I know what your saying, since the airbox pushes the carb "in place".  but when I had my KN pods on, I never had an issues with it.

Probably a side-effect of your carb boots being rock hard instead of soft and pliable like they are when they aren't 35 years old. 

[scottly]

I wonder how many pod related problems were really caused by the carbs sagging??

[c(b)hris]

you'll find mixture gets real rich as carbs droop

So if I avoid re-jetting long enough it will fix itself?

[scottly]

you'll find mixture gets real rich as carbs droop

So if I avoid re-jetting long enough it will fix itself?

No.

[c(b)hris]

you'll find mixture gets real rich as carbs droop

So if I avoid re-jetting long enough it will fix itself?

No.

What if I only drive up hills?

[Hush]

And shallow rivers.

[scottly]

you'll find mixture gets real rich as carbs droop

So if I avoid re-jetting long enough it will fix itself?

No.

What if I only drive up hills?

Only if you drive DOWN very steep hills.

[754]

 Gotta have been millions of miles put on 750s, with unsupported pods..
 Myself I find the building of a brace much more appealling than ever putting the stock breadbox/bird appartment.. back on a CB 750

[scottly]

I wonder now how my Webers would have worked if I had let them hang off the boots with no support like the PO??

[gnarlycharlie4u]

just take some really thin wire and hold the carbs up and tie it of to the frame then. you could even use fishing line

straps or something soft is better so it doesn't wear into the carbs due to vibrations.

[Retro Rocket]

Gotta have been millions of miles put on 750s, with unsupported pods..
 Myself I find the building of a brace much more appealling than ever putting the stock breadbox/bird appartment.. back on a CB 750

Thats ok for you to say Frank but you fail to inform anyone that you know your #$%* when it comes to these bikes and most of your stuff is modified, not that that matters much. Most of the guys that come here asking advice are noobs and it is wrong that you make them think that pods are as good as the stock airbox, you know this is wrong and so do most of the regulars here. Pods are a compromise and take piles of screwing around to get even close to a stable tune, most aftermarket pods are absolute crap and WON'T be any where near as good as the stock airbox. Another thing that these guys that must have pods should do is to establish a good state of tune with the stock box first so they have something to reference to when tuning up for the pods. I have talked to guys that "thought" their kitted Honda with pods was great and ran well and as soon as the bike was fired up i could tell its state of tune was crap, this is another point, most guys  wouldn't  know a great state of tune in the first place. I would bet that there are guys here that think their podded bike is tuned up just fine but probably have no idea that they should be able to stand a full glass of water on the seat and it should just shake only slightly. I really don't care what anyone says, All STOCK hONDA'S SHOULD RUN THE AIRBOX.....

[scottly]

Another thing that these guys that must have pods should do is to establish a good state of tune with the stock box first so they have something to reference to when tuning up for the pods.

1+, IF that option is available. I recall a total noob that bought a bike without a stock box. After fixing several issues, he still had problems. Everyone blamed the pods, but the real problem was a broken spark-plug wire!! His bike had never been running on all four!!