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Offline phil71

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adjusting points 'by ear'
« on: June 15, 2011, 10:34:39 PM »
I helped a friend out with a bike (a twin), and we had very little tools on hand. I jockeyed the points around at idle till i obtained the highest smoothest idle I could get.
   Seems to run pretty good, but is this remotely okay to do?

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Re: adjusting points 'by ear'
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 10:37:17 PM »
if its not pinging,has it one set of points you dont say what bike,check it properly later.

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Re: adjusting points 'by ear'
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 11:28:00 PM »
That's not recommended for points.  The smoothest idle is a couple degrees more advanced than you want.  Try turning the crank with a fixed end wrench (I use a monkey wrench) until you get the F and the mark lined up.  Then, holding the wrench in place, adjust the points until you see them just open.  You are set at that point.  Depending on your points plate, you might need to adjust 2/3 points too.

Also, check to see if the plastic washer is still behind the advancer mechanism.  If it is not, then you need to make one out of metal.  HondaMan has the info on how to do that, or I could share it with you if you want.  Just PM me for it.  Without the washer behind the advancer mechanism, you'll get poor high rpm performance.  This is only an issue for a few years of CB twins and fours when Honda used a plastic washer as a shim.

You can set mixture and idel rpm by ear on a twin.  Warm up the engine, and then shut it off and pull one plug.  Start the engine on one cylinder and adjust your idle mixture screw to get the smoothest idle.  Then, adjust your idle down to 1100 rpm.  Repeat on the other cylinder.  Once done with that, spend some time making sure both carbs open at the same time with throttle twist.  you can do this by putting one finger on the adjust screw on one side, watching the other side, and twisting the throttle.

One last thing about these twins.  The carb boots are probably torn or leaking.  Pull the carbs and check them.  If you see any cracks when you squeeze them, then you need new carb boots.  They are cheap and readily available.

Good luck.
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Re: adjusting points 'by ear'
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 03:01:40 AM »
Hmmmm . . . plastic washer behind the advance mechanism?  I never found one on my '75 CB550.  Should there be one on my bike?
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Offline phil71

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Re: adjusting points 'by ear'
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 02:17:56 PM »
sorry guys, Should have mentioned, i know how to set points the right way, but I only had a crappy multi-screwdriver on me, and his bike was running like crap.. I cleaned the points with the blade side, adjusted slowly till the bike idled nicely. I told him to check it with feeler gauges when he had them on hand.. but I just wanted to make sure I didn't send him off to hurt his engine. Seems okay anyway.