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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #150 on: February 23, 2012, 11:05:44 AM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #151 on: February 23, 2012, 01:11:30 PM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.

Ron  :o, thats just a little too much information mate.... 8) 8) :P
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #152 on: February 23, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.

Ron  :o, thats just a little too much information mate.... 8) 8) :P

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« Reply #153 on: February 23, 2012, 04:38:29 PM »
I hear there are products to help with that.  I get several adds in my email every day - would you like me to forward some of them to you?
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« Reply #154 on: February 23, 2012, 07:48:26 PM »
Curious, but I wonder what the condition is of the steering headset bearings in the tank slappers at lower speeds? I drive 70mph no problem on our local hwys. I rebuilt the steering bearings the first thing I did to this bike when i got it and have never had that 'sloppy' feeling you get just before a tank slapper. I've had this bike up to 90mph and feels pretty steady but that is straight line only.

I guess my point is before installing a steering damper maybe install new bearings first? If it is still a problem then install the damper. But really why are any of us going that fast on public roads anyway? (flame on)

No, that's a good point, and I'm glad you made it. If your steering head bearings are shot (and I'd recommend converting the old balls to tapered rollers on any old bikes) or if your swingarm bushes or wheel bearings are clagged, tires knackered,  pressures low etc, this can exacerbate the situation and bring on a speed wobble. (tank slapper, etc)

My 1979 BMW R100RS was absolutely rock stable at high speed (100 MPH +) with the standard fairing and panniers, but as soon as I took the big fairing off and mounted a BMW R90S handlebar fairing, it went into the most violent tank slapper, not helped by the short flat handlebars.

The afore-mentioned items were all in good condition, and I surmised that the change to the airflow over the bike, along with the big Krauser panniers sticking out like dogs balls caused it. I took the panniers off and tried again, and the wobble was gone. The BMW had a steering damper fitted as standard (as many European bikes of the era did also) but the damping was non-existant, so I replaced the damper and never experienced another "slapper" in the 12 years that I owned that bike.

If anyone here has a damper fitted that's been there awhile, make sure you check that the damping is still good, a statue of a steering damper won't help you if everything turns to mud............ Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #155 on: February 23, 2012, 08:24:35 PM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.

Ron  :o, thats just a little too much information mate.... 8) 8) :P







Brilliant!

Haha, thanks for the measurements. I think I'll go with the 115mm or the 120mm stroke lengths. It might be overkill with having rebuilt forks and steering bearings and good condition tires but whatever. 

On a side note, since he old Kawi's came up in topic. Can anyone recomend a good Kawasaki tech forum? I just brought home a 78 kz1000, shouldn't take much to get it on the road again. Looks like it was well taken care of and stored somewhat properly.
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #156 on: February 23, 2012, 08:28:03 PM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.

Ron  :o, thats just a little too much information mate.... 8) 8) :P






Haha, thanks for the measurements. I think I'll go with the 115mm or the 120mm stroke lengths. It might be overkill with having rebuilt shocks and steering bearings and good condition tires but whatever.

Brilliant!

Think of it as an insurance policy mate. Start out in the first position and only go up in tension one click at a time, too stiff and it will make the bike weave at slow speeds.
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #157 on: February 23, 2012, 08:33:27 PM »
I was next to a bike that had a tank slapper, scary stuff. My brother on his 450 at 75mph. Street tires and a hooker header, He converted it back to SL trim and traded it on a 750.
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« Reply #158 on: February 23, 2012, 09:47:48 PM »
A different way of looking at it. If at full extension, my exposed shaft is 85mm.

Ron  :o, thats just a little too much information mate.... 8) 8) :P







Brilliant!

Haha, thanks for the measurements. I think I'll go with the 115mm or the 120mm stroke lengths. It might be overkill with having rebuilt shocks and steering bearings and good condition tires but whatever. 

On a side note, since he old Kawi's came up in topic. Can anyone recomend a good Kawasaki tech forum? I just brought home a 78 kz1000, shouldn't take much to get it on the road again. Looks like it was well taken care of and stored somewhat properly.

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« Reply #159 on: February 24, 2012, 12:03:18 AM »

On a side note, since he old Kawi's came up in topic. Can anyone recomend a good Kawasaki tech forum? I just brought home a 78 kz1000, shouldn't take much to get it on the road again. Looks like it was well taken care of and stored somewhat properly.


Get rid of that Kawa mate, once you've ridden it you'll probably sell your CB..........  :'(
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #160 on: February 24, 2012, 01:58:23 AM »

On a side note, since he old Kawi's came up in topic. Can anyone recomend a good Kawasaki tech forum? I just brought home a 78 kz1000, shouldn't take much to get it on the road again. Looks like it was well taken care of and stored somewhat properly.


Get rid of that Kawa mate, once you've ridden it you'll probably sell your CB..........  :'(


Haha, I'm pretty sure my CB isn't going anywhere. My wife might get some ride time on it once the Kz is back on the road. Her cb400t is great in town but not so great for highway trips out of town. Will be nice to have two trip worthy bikes, I wasn't looking for the Kz but it popped up and was too good to pass up. I'd be kicking myself for yrs if I let it slip by. Is in nice shape for being off the road since 97, was in a heated garage the whole time. Carbs were drained, 15000km on the motor which turns over and it came with registration. So far the only bad thing is the tank is rusty, everything else is fairly clean. Hopefully nothing a bit of elbow grease won't cure, all black in color.

Oh and thanks for the Kz forum link seanbarney41, exactly what I was looking to find.
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #161 on: February 24, 2012, 02:31:47 AM »
I have had  a moment on my 500/4 years ago, scared the livin #$%*s out of me so I put an adjustable damper on when I re coned the head stem. Would not be without it.
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« Reply #162 on: February 25, 2012, 09:19:33 PM »

On a side note, since he old Kawi's came up in topic. Can anyone recomend a good Kawasaki tech forum? I just brought home a 78 kz1000, shouldn't take much to get it on the road again. Looks like it was well taken care of and stored somewhat properly.


Get rid of that Kawa mate, once you've ridden it you'll probably sell your CB..........  :'(


Haha, I'm pretty sure my CB isn't going anywhere. My wife might get some ride time on it once the Kz is back on the road. Her cb400t is great in town but not so great for highway trips out of town. Will be nice to have two trip worthy bikes, I wasn't looking for the Kz but it popped up and was too good to pass up. I'd be kicking myself for yrs if I let it slip by. Is in nice shape for being off the road since 97, was in a heated garage the whole time. Carbs were drained, 15000km on the motor which turns over and it came with registration. So far the only bad thing is the tank is rusty, everything else is fairly clean. Hopefully nothing a bit of elbow grease won't cure, all black in color.

Oh and thanks for the Kz forum link seanbarney41, exactly what I was looking to find.

Ha ha, well, I strayed from the CB750 flock shortly after I bought my Suzuki GS1000 mate, and even though the Suzy is arguably a more refined bike than the Kawasaki, they have very similar race heritage (they were Pop's Yoshimura's favorite race bikes when Honda's SOHC bike's became uncompetetive) and are both incredibly poweful bikes, with reasonable handling and brakes.

I had a very nice CB750F2 (without all the usual F2 problems) at the time, and within 6 months of buying the Suzy, I sold the F2. But I have to admit that I only had a smallish garage back then, so if I faced the same dilemma now, it'd probably be a different outcome. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: Steering damper anyone?
« Reply #163 on: March 04, 2012, 11:19:29 AM »
Hey guys. Sorry to derail the tank slapper debate, but I've got another dampener-related question.

There are a great supply of GSXR dampeners on eBay for around $25.  Earlier in the thread it was pointed out these are not adjustable.

I read a GSXR fourum thread about adjusting them- the preferred method seems to be changing oil weight, ranging from 10 to 25.

Is there anything else I should consider before buying one?  It seems like there's trial and error in positioning any after market dampener, but I've never done it before... 



Has anyone on the forum used one?
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« Reply #164 on: March 04, 2012, 01:19:22 PM »
I just got one of those from a member here.  He said it worked fine on his bike and I trusted him.  I have not mounted it yet.  I still need a frame mount.
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« Reply #165 on: March 04, 2012, 02:02:21 PM »
Hey guys. Sorry to derail the tank slapper debate, but I've got another dampener-related question.

There are a great supply of GSXR dampeners on eBay for around $25.  Earlier in the thread it was pointed out these are not adjustable.

I read a GSXR fourum thread about adjusting them- the preferred method seems to be changing oil weight, ranging from 10 to 25.

Is there anything else I should consider before buying one?  It seems like there's trial and error in positioning any after market dampener, but I've never done it before... 



Has anyone on the forum used one?

You will need to look at a GSXR to see where that type of damper mounts, the mount on the alloy part of that damper mounts to the steering head of the frame, the damper then sits parallel to the forks behind the headlight....
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« Reply #166 on: March 04, 2012, 02:25:15 PM »
Good point. I'm about to replace the steerer bearings, so I should be able to attach a tab when everything is appart.

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« Reply #167 on: March 04, 2012, 02:40:54 PM »
Good point. I'm about to replace the steerer bearings, so I should be able to attach a tab when everything is appart.

Yes you should be able to attach a tab but make sure everything clears the damper from lock to lock first.... It is worth looking at a GSXR to see how they mount them....I had a gsxr 1100J 1988 model that had the same damper set up, worked well.... ;)
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« Reply #168 on: March 04, 2012, 03:14:48 PM »
Yeah, good point.  Measure twice, cut once and all that...

Too bad the CB doesn't have any mounting points on the steerer tube.  I've noticed a few of these bolted up to SVs, which have a fairly traditional front ends.

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« Reply #169 on: March 04, 2012, 03:23:06 PM »
Yeah, good point.  Measure twice, cut once and all that...

Too bad the CB doesn't have any mounting points on the steerer tube.  I've noticed a few of these bolted up to SVs, which have a fairly traditional front ends.

Yeah, my GSXR had a "traditional" front end....  I think someone here on the forum has already done this conversion, if i find it i'll post it here...
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« Reply #170 on: March 04, 2012, 03:30:57 PM »
That's very similar to the Aprilia damper I have.  What's the stroke length?  I plan to either attach a tab at the neck tube or use a small clamp at the forward down tubes and use the lower triple mounting point.  Just need to measure out the lock to lock distance...
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« Reply #171 on: March 05, 2012, 08:17:19 AM »
Not sure about the stroke length, but for $25 I will probably just buy one and figure it out.  I saw a photo of this unit rebuilt so the body was reversed, allowing it to be attached to the frame like a universal dampener.

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« Reply #172 on: March 05, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »
Not sure about the stroke length, but for $25 I will probably just buy one and figure it out.  I saw a photo of this unit rebuilt so the body was reversed, allowing it to be attached to the frame like a universal dampener.

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« Reply #173 on: March 05, 2012, 08:27:38 AM »
Here is what I got mounted by the PO.  Not on mine yet, still need the frame mount.


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« Reply #174 on: March 05, 2012, 08:29:41 AM »
that looks just like the one I just put on,I rode to work today for the first time since I put the drilled disc,steering damper,tightened and relubed my head bearings(all balls,tapered)proper tire pressure and blew out the cobwebs on the highway,lets just say FAST,in the crappy truck lane with all sorts of ruts and lines,MUCH more stable than before,as stable as a 40 yr old bike can be,but better than it ever was.Conclusion,better than before and it was free..
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