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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2011, 07:18:57 AM »
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2011, 12:49:52 PM »
I may give this a shot on my trans.
Do you think you can cryo treat after you have applied a coating or should i do the coating later?

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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2011, 12:55:27 PM »
I may give this a shot on my trans.
Do you think you can cryo treat after you have applied a coating or should i do the coating later?
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Ask your Cryo tech. My guess would be they would say, why?  My other guess would be, after. Since the coating is not part of the metal, it likely won't shrink and expand at the same rate and may break the bond. JMWAG.

I'd ask, can you coat a trans part? Its not on the Swain's price list. Would a coating stand up to the loads?

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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2011, 02:20:52 PM »
Sorry, my post was confusing. I want to cryo my trans. I have pistons that are already coated. I have rockers that i need treated, I guess there really would be no point in doing cryo and a coating.

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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2011, 02:27:28 PM »
Sorry, my post was confusing. I want to cryo my trans. I have pistons that are already coated. I have rockers that i need treated, I guess there really would be no point in doing cryo and a coating.
Makes sense now. Seems the coatings have specialized applications like the heat shielding and the oil shedding that Cryo can't do. I'm reading the Swaintech website for edumication.
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2011, 06:55:21 PM »
i can ask the Swain tech guy that e-mailed me.  i'll get ahold of him and let you know what he says.

i think a good bet would be to have the rockers cryo treated and then do the coating on the pads.  this would help maximize strength and minimize friction, IMO.

but now that i think about it, i think coating the transmission would be able to handle stresses...
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2011, 07:21:33 PM »
Cyclex offer the transmission coating.
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http://www.cyclexchange.net/Engine%20Parts%20Coating.htm
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2011, 07:57:31 PM »
So who do you think they are sending their parts out too?

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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2011, 08:01:09 PM »
So who do you think they are sending their parts out too?
I think that the answer could be in Sam's reply #25. ;)
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2011, 08:23:00 AM »
From Swain tech:

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We can coat the transmission gears and shafts.  It is rarely a high priority item as the long term benefits are not usually there.  The gears and shafts are usually hard enough that the surface profile achieved in the surface preparation process is limited which limits the adhesion of the coatings.  Initially you get good feel but over the long haul the transmission coatings do not tend to be as durable as coatings applied to parts which are soft enough to have the needed surface preparation such as a piston.  It would never hurt to have the parts coated but it is not likely to be a good long term proposition.  You may consider it if you are racing and looking for every little bit of help possible from coating.
 
Parts do need to be clean and fully disassembled.
 
Cryo is a good complementary process to our coatings.
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2011, 08:32:03 AM »
From Swain tech:

Garrett,
 
We can coat the transmission gears and shafts.  It is rarely a high priority item as the long term benefits are not usually there.  The gears and shafts are usually hard enough that the surface profile achieved in the surface preparation process is limited which limits the adhesion of the coatings.  Initially you get good feel but over the long haul the transmission coatings do not tend to be as durable as coatings applied to parts which are soft enough to have the needed surface preparation such as a piston.  It would never hurt to have the parts coated but it is not likely to be a good long term proposition.  You may consider it if you are racing and looking for every little bit of help possible from coating.
 
Parts do need to be clean and fully disassembled.
 
Cryo is a good complementary process to our coatings.
That's a great response and confirms my suspicions. The coatings may be better on aluminum (cam bearings?) and serve different purposes at least in part, like heat shielding and oil shedding. On the trans, it will likely wear off, on a high mileage anticipated motor, not such good benefit. Cryo is forever.

On the trans, does not need disassembly for Cryo, even bearings can stay on and will benefit.

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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2011, 06:58:10 AM »
I wouldn't do just the piston tops.  Have everything coated.  Remember thermal dynamics.  The total amount of heat in the combustion chamber is relatively constant and it doesn't all go out the exhaust port and exit via the exhaust system.  If you insulate the piston tops better than you might just be pushing the heat into the cylinder dome or the valves instead, shortening their life span as a result.

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2011, 06:05:34 PM »
Cycle X does offer a coating service for the combustion chamber, not sure about valves.  The intake would be cooled by the fuel charge.
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Re: piston coatings, are they worth it?
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2011, 09:45:20 PM »
I don't know if the combustion chambers would be worth it for shipping the head each way...  I mean aren't there quite a few people who just coated their pistons?  I mean just the tops and undersides would be worth it for helping to keep the heat where it needs to be right?

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