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Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« on: December 03, 2006, 06:25:34 PM »
I received a FREE '75 CB550 Parts Bike for the carbs that are hopefully better than the ones on my '73 CB500.  They look the same to me and my Clymer manual lists that they are both of the same size.  Any reason that they shouldn't work?

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2006, 06:43:31 PM »
I believe dimensionally they are the same, but jetting is different between them due to engine displacement.  Swap out the jets and check the needle positions so they match your original setup.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 01:59:27 PM »
They will "work".  And, they will work properly if you know what your are doing.

The differences are internal.  Main jets, slow jets, slide needle size, taper and position, and the emulsion tube holes are different sizes.  If you clean and swap all the internal parts from your existing 500 carbs to the 550 tuned ones they should work okay on your stock air filtered, stock exhaust CB500.  You will need new gaskets and rubber bits for the carbs in most cases.  About $16-$20 per carb from Honda.  Given all the work involved, it seems prudent to keep/rebuild your original carbs, provided the castings and metal parts are in descent, uncorroded, shape.  Simply putting CB550 carbs and CB500 will likely make the engine run rather lean.  And, I would expect streetability may be lacking at almost any throttle position other than idle.

There is more info regarding internal bit differences in the carb FAQ, I think.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 02:03:58 PM »
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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 02:47:44 PM »
the carbs on my 500 are from a 550. I put in a larger main jet and the bike ran really well. It survived a 500 mile trip from sw mass through VT and back riding with a colleague who rides a new R1 (OK, he was kind and kept it around 75) this past june. I agree with TT however, that the stock configuration is best.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 08:43:00 PM »


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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 05:35:40 PM »
Thanks for the info.  One of the posts that holds the pin that holds the float is broken on the original.  One of the floats is broken as well.  Drilled and tapped the post using a small machine screw; it worked but it's not the best setup in the world.  According to my Clymers manual the main and slow jets are the same size and the carbs look like they will clean up really well.  Thought I would give them a try.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 06:18:14 PM »
The Clymers is known to have errors in inoportune areas.  It is slightly better than having nothing as they have reprinted much of what was in the Honda shop manual.  However, it was all based on the original issue of the Honda shop manual which was CB500 specific.  Revisions of the Cylmer do NOT include all the details from the Honda Shop Manual revisions.

I can guarantee that the jetting, internal pieces, and other carb adjustments are different between Cb500, 627B carbs and the 550's 022A, 087A, and 069A carbs.  Only the mains may be the same (#100) IF your 550 carbs are from a K model, which you haven't stated.  The F model had #98s.

The 550 carbs will physically fit and allow the engine to run.  Do NOT expect the engine to run and respond properly at all throttle settings...
Unless, you swap all the internal bits and settings between the two sets.

Other dependencies are if the air filtration and exhaust are the stock components.  Info you haven't shared.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 06:16:39 AM »
I have 71'500 carbs on a 76 550 motor, all I had to do was rejet... :P
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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 09:20:57 AM »
I have 71'500 carbs on a 76 550 motor, all I had to do was rejet... :P

Very glib.

And, what an excellent restoration to all stock components (exhaust and air filter) it was on your bike, too. ::)

Have you campared your throttle response (at each throttle position) and fuel mileage to that of a stock configured bike in proper tune?

I am reminded of a single frame cartoon I once saw.  It was a drawing of a blindfolded man standing on the tongue in a rather grotesque monster's mouth.  He's reaching up and feeling the very tip of a huge tooth just above him.  The caption was (paraphrased)
"It is always best to get a clear understanding of the problem."

http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=15832.msg161041#msg161041
http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=14037.msg137511#msg137511

Maybe coming back to the forum wasn't such a good idea for me...

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 03:06:27 PM »
i wholeheartedly agree with lloyd on this one. my bike ran pretty damn good with pods, but never perfect until i went back to the stock airbox. not only does it provide consistent air-pressure, but the shape of the rubber connectors act like a small venturi, kind of like velocity stacks. i believe this was probably the main contributor to my lacking low end with the pods.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2006, 05:50:24 PM »
Will be using the stock airbox and rubber boots that are in very good condition.  The Exhaust is a 4 into 2 system of unknown brand that was on the bike when I got it. Had it running with the stock carbs, but scared of the broken post and float.  I was hoping that the ones from the 550 would provide the answer.
By the way, what is the difference in F and K models?  Parts bike is '75 cb550 that looks pretty much like my '73 cb500.
Thanks for assistance.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2006, 06:18:37 PM »
the major differences are a 4-1 exhaust header, some minor frame/rightside footcontrol changes to allow it to fit, and a decrease in mainjet size to a 98. the tank shape is different, but mounts the same, and the seat and its mounts are different. the airbox has a different top (might be the same on the '77-78K...not sure), and the sidecovers and their mounting pegs are different (but share the same peg orientation as the '77-'78 K models).

the 550 was really another "K" (improvement) to the 500, but they gave it a slight cc boost when improving some problems, both increase the public's attention to the changes and compete with the gs550 suzuki had released. there is an article about this in the site's section about the 550.
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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2006, 06:55:56 PM »
If you have a broken carb body casting, it is probably best the replace the casting.  Two reasonable approaches are:

1) find a carb body or carb bank that has the same set up stamp on them and swap out either that carb position or the whole bank.
I suspect your carbs have the 627B set up stamp found on the top right side carb mount flange. If so, these are the ones to shop for.  Mistrust sellers that would try to convince you they are all the same, or are unable to tell you what set up stamp is on the carbs.

2) Strip the broken carb position from your 550 bank (it is probably 022A set up).  Dismantle the carb, and move the slow jet, main jet, emulsion tube behind the main jet, and slide needle from your 627B carb to your 022A carb and reassemble into the 627B bank.  I'm fairly certain these parts make the setups unique and transferring the internal parts should also transfer the set up configuration. Use the slide needle position as found on the 627B carbs.  I might even swap the air bleed screw, particularly if I could find any difference between them.  But, I think only the F model 069A carbs had different ones.

During the transfer it would be best to renew ALL the o rings and seals in the entire carb bank.  You will most certainly need to synchronize the carbs after reassembly.

I ran a 74 Cb550 with a 4 into 2 for over 10 years and no carb changes.  Still used the stock airbox, but with a UNI foam filter installed.  Very streetable and made pretty good power on the top end, too.  I finally put the 4 into 4's back on it, mostly for nostalgia reasons.  But, I didn't notice a lot of performance difference.  Certainly runs the way it should.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2006, 07:47:46 AM »
Will be using the stock airbox and rubber boots that are in very good condition.  The Exhaust is a 4 into 2 system of unknown brand that was on the bike when I got it. Had it running with the stock carbs, but scared of the broken post and float.  I was hoping that the ones from the 550 would provide the answer.
By the way, what is the difference in F and K models?  Parts bike is '75 cb550 that looks pretty much like my '73 cb500.
Thanks for assistance.

I have another option.  I have a set of CB500 carbs I was planning on rebuilding using CB550 rebuild kits for my CB550.  We could swap carbs if you're interested.

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Re: Will '75 CB550 carbs work on '73 CB500? Received FREE!
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2007, 05:09:25 PM »
Sorry for delay. Work has been crazy since Christmas with a coputer conversion, haven't been able to stomach looking at a computer screen after work.  I hate to admit it, but I broke one of the posts on the 550 carbs while trying to get the pin out.  I see how it happened on my 500 now.
I am going to try to repair the originals to see if they will work.  Thanks anyway.

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