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Offline Terry in Australia

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2024, 10:06:24 PM »
Thanks Sean, I’d never ridden a KZ750 before whereas I’ve ridden a couple of Mach III’s, but I am keen on putting the ‘69 together. It’ll be great to sell off all the later 500 stuff, just to make some room in the garage for bikes I want to keep. ;D
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2024, 07:11:40 AM »
Well Holy Jesus Terry, priorities man!  What the hell are ya doing mucking about with that horrible 4 stroke 750 twin when you got 500 2 stroke triples!?

Was thinkin' the same thing, Sean!   

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2024, 05:37:14 PM »
Yeah, this one is a slow process as I locate the missing parts for the build. ‘69 parts are hard to find whereas later model parts are everywhere, so to build a “mostly original” bike that’s worth the silly money that the ‘69’s are selling for, I need to grab what I can when I can afford it. The top triple tree had to come from England, a speedo from Germany and I was really lucky to find an original seat for “only” 500 bucks. (Reproduction seats go for about $600 from memory)

Later Mach III’s like mine and Steve’s are much more common so finding parts isn’t such a problem. I only want to restore the ‘69 because it’s more interesting to me than the later bikes, which were probably better than the ‘69, but more common. Once I finish it, I’ll sell all the ‘73 and ‘74 parts, I have a couple of guys here in Oz who’d sell their souls to get hold of them. ;D
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2024, 06:38:56 AM »
That 69 will turn many heads. Keep photos coming!
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2024, 12:55:42 PM »
That 69 will turn many heads. Keep photos coming!

Thanks Steve, and you’ve reminded me to take the bike cover off my Z1-B and sort it out so I can get it registered and on the road. I found a set of engine cases within 300 numbers from my frame number so I’m waiting for the to arrive, then I’ll build another stock engine for it in case I ever decide to sell it. Z1-B’s like mine and SteveO’s are going for over $20K USD in Oz now, which is pretty good, as I don’t have that much in mine, but then again your’72 Z1 is probably worth twice as much. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2024, 08:24:06 AM »
Rolled the H1 out the garage yesterday, aired the tires, check the gas, oil and kicked it over.  About 6 kicks later, she roared to life! Bike is running great, had a good ride...



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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2024, 11:19:49 AM »
That 69 will turn many heads. Keep photos coming!

Thanks Steve, and you’ve reminded me to take the bike cover off my Z1-B and sort it out so I can get it registered and on the road. I found a set of engine cases within 300 numbers from my frame number so I’m waiting for the to arrive, then I’ll build another stock engine for it in case I ever decide to sell it. Z1-B’s like mine and SteveO’s are going for over $20K USD in Oz now, which is pretty good, as I don’t have that much in mine, but then again your’72 Z1 is probably worth twice as much. ;D

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2024, 07:07:59 PM »
That 69 will turn many heads. Keep photos coming!

Thanks Steve, and you’ve reminded me to take the bike cover off my Z1-B and sort it out so I can get it registered and on the road. I found a set of engine cases within 300 numbers from my frame number so I’m waiting for the to arrive, then I’ll build another stock engine for it in case I ever decide to sell it. Z1-B’s like mine and SteveO’s are going for over $20K USD in Oz now, which is pretty good, as I don’t have that much in mine, but then again your’72 Z1 is probably worth twice as much. ;D

I couldn't sell my 77' KZ 1000 LTD, it's become my favorite bike and the other bikes are jealous. 8)

They’re a great bike Kelly, I really need to get mine on the road and scare sports bike riders! ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2024, 02:43:00 PM »
Hey Terry, rather than getting new rims have you got your originals & an you get them rechromed? One of the things I have noted while sorting out my H1 is that there are a lot of very fussy originality freaks in the triples world and one of the zillions of things they look for is that the rims have the correct date codes for the bike. It'll all help you sell it eventually...

Mark, I found a schematic of the ignition units at last, see attached. Is it any use?

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2024, 07:28:06 AM »
One of the things I have noted while sorting out my H1 is that there are a lot of very fussy originality freaks in the triples world and one of the zillions of things they look for is that the rims have the correct date codes for the bike.

Almost like an "H1 cult" that we are in, isnt it?!  Would like to see a pic of your H1, Tim.
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2024, 03:41:41 PM »
Here it is from just a few weeks ago, on it's last run out of the year (so far anyway). It's a nice bike and goes well, lovely engine to ride and pretty decent handling for what it is. #$%*e brakes though.

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2024, 06:27:25 PM »
One of the things I have noted while sorting out my H1 is that there are a lot of very fussy originality freaks in the triples world and one of the zillions of things they look for is that the rims have the correct date codes for the bike.

Almost like an "H1 cult" that we are in, isnt it?!  Would like to see a pic of your H1, Tim.
Are the H1 cultists as picky as the sand-casters? I recall a discussion about the proper tire tube valve stem caps. ::)
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2024, 01:34:26 AM »
I road my H1A to a regular weekly bike meet (Tooradin, Victoria, Australia). There's usually an eclectic variety of bikes there. Unfortunately, most belong to gray haired older men (like me), so I fear our hobby may be dying...

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2024, 10:54:02 AM »
yes im afraid you could be right

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2024, 03:32:45 PM »
Scottly, yes they are just as odd, it's all fed by people who have a lot of stuff to sell and want to push the prices up. See photo below, it'd simply ruin that bolt's (stupid) value if you cleaned off that little bump when you had it replated. I think if you could come up with NOS cans of Kawasaki tyre air then someone would buy it.

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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2024, 07:25:01 AM »
Here it is from just a few weeks ago, on it's last run out of the year (so far anyway). It's a nice bike and goes well, lovely engine to ride and pretty decent handling for what it is. #$%*e brakes though.

Very nice, love the early ones, hard to find and very expensive when you do see one! 
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2024, 07:30:08 AM »
One of the things I have noted while sorting out my H1 is that there are a lot of very fussy originality freaks in the triples world and one of the zillions of things they look for is that the rims have the correct date codes for the bike.

Almost like an "H1 cult" that we are in, isnt it?!  Would like to see a pic of your H1, Tim.
Are the H1 cultists as picky as the sand-casters? I recall a discussion about the proper tire tube valve stem caps. ::)

I dont think anyone is as picky as the sand-casters!  But, maybe coincidentally, I insisted on these old school valve stem caps when I had the rear tire replaced [my tire guy had a collection of them]


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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2024, 09:03:12 PM »
yeah Steve-O!  I love those valve stem caps too!
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Re: Mach III 500
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2024, 11:50:45 AM »
Hey Terry, rather than getting new rims have you got your originals & an you get them rechromed? One of the things I have noted while sorting out my H1 is that there are a lot of very fussy originality freaks in the triples world and one of the zillions of things they look for is that the rims have the correct date codes for the bike. It'll all help you sell it eventually...

Mark, I found a schematic of the ignition units at last, see attached. Is it any use?

Wow, that explains a LOT about those units, Tim!
They had a history of "turning into Silly Putty under the seat" back in the 1969 era. From that schematic, I can see why: if the battery gets low enough to not let that SCR shut off fully, with the capacitively-generated oneshot that circuit describes, it would simply stay ON after firing - probably at low engine speeds, like idle. This could happen around 10.6 volts, like at idle with the headlight on while someone was fiddling with something in the garage(?). The symptoms I always heard were something like: "I had a low battery and jumped it to my [car, truck, tractor] to start it, then it died while I was putting on my [helmet/jacket/girl-on-the-back] and smoke rolled out from under the seat". The failure description was always similar to that.

The [in]famous GM MOSFET "Transistor Ignition" is/was much like that. The MOSFET can fire generous current loads, but if the backside of the turnoff pulse doesn't fly far enough below 0v (to -3.0 volts on the GM unit) then the MOSFET simply stays ON until it melts. Periodically that circuit makes it reprise , even here, for those trying to make a super-simple 'electronic ignition' for a budget build of some type. The last round thru these forums was on CB500/550 bikes, which guarantees their failure because of its typical low-voltage issues (in the USA, anyway).

Seeing that CDI trigger schematic makes me wonder if the GM HEI engineer who made those owned a Blue Streak at one time?
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