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Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« on: July 16, 2011, 10:53:06 PM »
So I rode my 550 out to my father's in Iowa to celebrate his and my nephew's birthdays.

The trip out was drama free, and the first 180 miles of the 185 mile trip home were fine. Then, out of nowhere, at 11:45 pm, sitting at a light a few miles from home the lights flicker, then I lose all power and the bike dies. It comes back briefly, then is gone again.

I pull it off the road, check the fuses and the connections at the battery, all are fine. I even swap to the spare 15amp, just in case. Nothing.

As I am trying to figure it out, a guy comes over and starts talking to me. It turns out he has a '77 400F. unfortunately, he doesn't have a multimeter either. So we check the connections in the headlight nothing too obvious, although there was an unplugged black wire with a colored collar on it.

In the end, I moved the bike to a grocery store parking lot and he gave me a ride home. I will drive back tomorrow with tools, a multimeter and the wiring diagram.

My best guess at this point is a problem with the ignition switch. Since I have no power to anything it has to be a primary power line or ground.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 12:34:46 AM »
bugger,at least you were close to home,umm?yours has the three fuse block or the single tube affair?,with the single tube type the end internal connectors can recess enough to cause an open circuit,,it would be odd for a totally dead open circuit battery?

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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 03:39:07 AM »
check your connections on back of ignition switch. On my 750K6 one of the solder joints had come loose and wasn't making contact. Cleaned on resoldered hadn't had any trouble since.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2011, 04:16:52 AM »
I'd bet it's the ignition switch as well. Turn the key on and wiggle the plug at the bottom. If it comes back on then ride her home and pull that switch out. You can repair it. I'll post my fix for it later if you do find out its the problem.

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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 07:11:39 AM »
Dave, the fuse block type.

Vance, I will do that. Just woke up and I am getting ready to drive over to the bike. Hopefully some sleep and daylight will help me fix it.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 07:18:56 AM »
If you can't fix the ignition switch, bring some wire and small wirenuts ( I know, but just to get home  :o) and connect Red to Black   and  Brown to Brown/White, that will give you ignition and lights, good luck .
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 07:20:14 AM »
Thanks, I'm bringing my electrical kit with me. Multimeter, wires, connectors, etc.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 08:29:26 AM »
Jumped red to black at the switch connection and got power def a switch issue. Need to limp it home, cab back to the car then pull the switch.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2011, 11:52:35 AM »
Glad to hear its just the switch.  I was beginning to worry about you missing out on the Michigan leg of the rally Danny.

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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 12:29:22 PM »
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=74213.0

TwoTired's great little how-to in rebuilding these switches.

Not sure if your switch is this style, but these are super easy to rebuild. My 750F uses a similar switch.

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 12:46:32 PM »
Is this an aftermarket switch? If so just buy another one at $15 and get back on the road. If it's OEM then it will be worth rebuilding.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 03:34:39 PM »
It's the stock switch. The positive and ground terminals were both loose. I cleaned and soldered them and power is back. Two remaining issues related to the disconnected ground wire I suspect, the high beam indicator and front turn signals/running lights aren't working.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2011, 03:49:05 PM »
Ok I'm a little late but anyhow here is a pic of my switch repair. The three long terminals are attached to a copper rivet from the factory and had loosend up to the point where they would intermittently lose contact. I was unable to find a way to re-tighten the rivets so I soldered them which is probably what you've already done. The switch has worked flawlessly for two years so I think it's been a solid repair.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »
That's what I did with two of my connections
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 06:45:07 AM »
Does everybody who has replied know who Generalísimo Franco was?

Just wondering, never heard that comparison before....


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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 07:32:50 AM »
El Caudillo... I remember him. There are still some statues to be removed.
When I did Spanish as a secondary course at the university, I remember our professor focussed on the past tense (I forgot which one) in which his death was announced by whoever it was (PM?). That tense, our professor explained, was highly significant. It meant as much as 'Franco has died, end of period'. Can't remember exactly. Do you remember this, Raúl? I'd like to know. In Spanish you have two past tenses.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2011, 07:49:31 AM »
It was a joke that I hoped some of the more, ah, mature members of the forum might get.

In the '70's during the Weekend Update part of Saturday Night Live, Chevy Chase frequently would add "...and in other news, Genralissimo Franco is still dead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General%C3%ADssimo_Francisco_Franco_is_still_dead
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 08:09:12 AM »
Wow, I'd forgotten that.  And we all ways watched SNL.

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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2011, 10:54:50 AM »
Your 550 will rise again...not so for the Generalissimo.


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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2011, 07:11:52 AM »
It was a joke that I hoped some of the more, ah, mature members of the forum might get.

In the '70's during the Weekend Update part of Saturday Night Live, Chevy Chase frequently would add "...and in other news, Genralissimo Franco is still dead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General%C3%ADssimo_Francisco_Franco_is_still_dead


I didn't know that, thanks for the info. My question came because, from what I know, Spain didn't have much presence in the international field, to the point that many people shouldn't know who Franco was. It is true that Franco met with Hitler in Hendaye -border with France-, but he refused to support Hitler. US gov. never seemed to like Franco for being a dictator, but on the other hand, not having supported Germany didn't qualify him as a nazi, and he was definitely an anticommunist -against whom he fought-, so I guess for the US gov, Franco was a lesser evil.

Years later, Eisenhower visited Spain, there were some treatys to allow the building of airforce bases in Spain, along with all the help that had been received from the US after the war. Spain received a lot of support from the US, and Franco opened up to international commerce in his latter years, but I never imagined Franco would have been heard of outside Spain

El Caudillo... I remember him. There are still some statues to be removed.

That's not correct. A recent law forces the removal of every remembrance from the Franco era. Just yesterday (jul 18) was the 75th anniversary of the beginning of the spanish civil war. Statues have been removed completely, and after Franco's statues, come statues of military men of Franco's army, street names after generals, battles, or even notable people such as doctors or architects who worked for Franco's regime.

I personally think that, after 75 years, it is overkill. I don't know who most of the names after the streets were, and in my opinion, some people is pretending to win the war long before it ended, by removing every trace of it. Even the way it has to be explained in the school has been "suggested".

I was just 5 when Franco died, so I really don't know much how life was back then. If you were a communist, I guess it was not easy, but for most of the working people, it was just fine as long as you didn't get into politics. Things would have been different had Franco not won the war, but I wonder how life would have been had the communist party won the war.

When I did Spanish as a secondary course at the university, I remember our professor focussed on the past tense (I forgot which one) in which his death was announced by whoever it was (PM?). That tense, our professor explained, was highly significant. It meant as much as 'Franco has died, end of period'. Can't remember exactly. Do you remember this, Raúl? I'd like to know. In Spanish you have two past tenses.
 

It was Carlos Arias Navarro, the president of the Government. It was a famous speech, and as you say, everybody knew something was about to come, but nobody really knew if for the good or the bad.

Españoles Franco ha muerto-Mensaje de Arias Navarro. 20-Noviembre-1975

It is like Fidel Castro now, seems that Raúl Castro will follow his directions, though with a little more open hand. Franco didn't appointed a successor, that could very well have been a military man. He appointed the King Juan Carlos, and the king, who could have claimed universal power, promoted elections and a constitution in which the king had no effective power.

End of XX century spanish history class...... :-)


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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2011, 09:14:16 AM »
It was a very subtle joke and this is not a very subtle crowd. LOL

For some reason it just popped into my head as I was composing the original post about my dead 550.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2011, 11:51:55 PM »
hahahaha, for some reason, every internet forum ends up mentioning Hitler or dealing with politics...... :-)

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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2011, 08:58:36 AM »
Raúl, thank you for that clip. Carlos Arias Navarro clearly says Franco ha muerto. I forgot what the interpretation was my professor gave back then, but I'd like to know: could Navarro have used another past tense?

Another question. Was it: "¡Al suelo todo el mundo!" or "¡Todo el mundo al suelo!"? Lieutenant-colonel Antonio Tejero.
Amazing chap. I'll never forget those images. What struck me most was that he sincerely believed he was doing good for la patria.
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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2011, 03:55:42 AM »
Well, there are quite a few ways to say somebody has met St. Peter. One is "Franco está muerto" -Franco is dead-.  That would be what you the doctor said when Arias Navarro asked why Franco didn't move in his bed. Another is "Franco ha muerto" -Franco has died-, that would be the correct way to express it to the people who was expecting the news.

In fact, that is not past tense but present: "Franco ha muerto". Regarding your question about two different past tenses, there is the "perfect" and "imperfect" past. The"perfect" means that the action is fully completed: "Me fumé un cigarro mientras la esperaba" -I smoked a cigarette while I waited for her- while the imperfect reflects that the action was going on, though not necessarily now: "Me fumaba un cigarro mientras la esperaba"  that could be something in the line of "I was smoking a cigarette at the same time that I waited for her"


Tejero shouted "Al suelo todo el mundo". Probably the lousiest coup-d'êtat in modern history hahahahahaha

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Re: Dead as Generalissimo Franco
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2011, 04:00:45 AM »
Many thanks!
Yeah, I remember the anxiety in Spain then. What was general Milans del Bosch going to do? I remember some admiral nervously smoking cigarettes outside who obviously didn't know who's side to choose. Then - finally - the King spoke and ended it all. Seems like yesterday.
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