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Offline VTCBike750

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What are YOUR air screws set at?
« on: July 17, 2011, 08:08:01 AM »
Just wondering what everyone else has.

Mine like being at 3/4 turns out, but thinking of changing that. 
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 08:39:33 AM »
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 10:53:31 AM »
Mine are whatever they were set at the factory.  Never have touched them.  never had a need to. :)

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 11:08:20 AM »
1974 CB750K4

standard carbs with jets 2 sizes larger than factory (110 or 115...can't remember)
pod filters

1/4 turn out

anything more than that and I get a lot of hesitation. 3/4 turn out will start to bog down with heavy throttle.

I have very poor acceleration, especially top end. Is this standard? I thought this thing was supposed to be reasonably fast.

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 11:23:22 AM »
1974 CB750K4

standard carbs with jets 2 sizes larger than factory (110 or 115...can't remember)pod filters

1/4 turn out

anything more than that and I get a lot of hesitation. 3/4 turn out will
start to bog down with heavy throttle.

I have very poor acceleration, especially top end. Is this standard? I thought this thing was supposed to be reasonably fast.
sounds about right  ;D


stock for a 350F with 75 mains is 7/8ths"  out.
with my 78's, im around 1.25 turns out.
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 11:26:55 AM »
So you think I should ditch the pod filters?

If they don't work at all why would anyone use them?

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 11:38:01 AM »
tons of threads on pods. lots of guys make them work.
many, after frustrating and unsuccessful tuning, go back to stock airbox and paper filter.
read up and decide for yourself.
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 11:47:16 AM »
Wanna ride and enjoy your bike much sooner, go back to the stock breadbox.  Seriously, as flybox said, search the pod threads.  There is a very in-depth one that was started by Two Tired that may even be in the FAQs.  An extreme education of going both ways.  Um....you know what I mean.
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 12:15:55 PM »
Just wondering what everyone else has.

Mine like being at 3/4 turns out, but thinking of changing that.

1 turn plus or minus 20 degrees.

To me, getting the air screws adjusted correctly (within 1/32 to 1/64 turn of even fuel metering across all four carbs) was the single most important thing I have done. More so than solid state ignition/perfect tuned points, new high end spark plugs, slight valve adjustments, etc... etc... 

Small movement on those little air screws make huge changes in engine performance.


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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 12:52:38 PM »
VTC: If yours like 3/4 to me means you like 3/4 means it runs the way you like it. So just what are you asking ??? ??? I can't tell you what everyone else is doing.

excert: +1 Flybox. If you can't remember read your notes if you don't have any and can't remember then STOP you will never know what you are doing where you are or where you have been ;D Why would anyone use them? You tell me I have not you have ::)
It was reasonably fast before someone changed it up not knowing what they were doing pods can work stay out of the rain and cross wind  have fun and a lot time to play with jets.

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2011, 01:03:55 PM »
I thought air screws affect less than 1/8 throttle only, but nothing above. Am I wrong???
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2011, 01:54:33 PM »
I thought air screws affect less than 1/8 throttle only, but nothing above. Am I wrong???

No.  Just inaccurate. 
The air screws in the pilot circuit operate purely via pressure differentials within that lone and separate circuit from the mains and mid-range fuel metering mechanisms of the carb.  Less pressure in the carb throat is what forces fuel and air motion.  Air and fuel is supplied under outside atmospheric pressure (same as on your skin).  A true air screw regulates flow of the air inlet from the air jet.  And Idle mixture screw regulates flow of air and fuel after being mixed in the pilot jet emulsion tube.
As long as negative pressure exists at the pilot circuit exit, there will be a contribution from the pilot circuit.

The pilot circuit is the dominant fuel provider when the throttle are at idle position.  This provides enough fuel for the engine to overcome internal friction and kept the engine ticking over.  This is very small percentage-wise, for throttle settings beyond 1/8 to 1/4 position.
Air screws have diminishing effect on higher throttle settings.

Another way to think of it, is that at idle the pilot circuit provides 100% of the fuel requirements.  The adjust screw may vary that fuel volume by maybe 5%.   At 50% throttle the pilot circuit may only provide 5% of the fuel requirement.  And an air screw change only effects 5% of that 5% contribution.  At WOT the pilot circuit may only provide 1% of the fuel requirement, and the air screw could only effect 5% of that 1% contribution.

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 02:18:16 PM »
I thought air screws affect less than 1/8 throttle only, but nothing above. Am I wrong???

Another way to think of it, is that at idle the pilot circuit provides 100% of the fuel requirements.  The adjust screw may vary that fuel volume by maybe 5%.   At 50% throttle the pilot circuit may only provide 5% of the fuel requirement.  And an air screw change only effects 5% of that 5% contribution.  At WOT the pilot circuit may only provide 1% of the fuel requirement, and the air screw could only effect 5% of that 1% contribution.

Cheers,

Well explained, glad you fielded that one.  ;)
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 04:59:07 PM »
Agreed :)
So is an air screw and an idle mixture screw the same? When looking at my PD carb I see only one screw (1977 K7).
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 07:41:16 PM »
three turns out....hell, one good turn deserves another....
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 07:45:13 PM »
Agreed :)
So is an air screw and an idle mixture screw the same? When looking at my PD carb I see only one screw (1977 K7).

All the PD Carbs I've seen for the SOHC4 used Idle Mixture Screws.

They serve a similar but slightly different function, and are adjusted differently.  I don't like calling them "the same".

From my last post here:
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A true air screw regulates flow of the air inlet from the air jet.  An Idle mixture screw regulates flow of air and fuel after being mixed in the pilot jet emulsion tube.

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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 11:10:36 AM »
Ok, I am getting there :-)
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 11:42:48 AM »
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Mine are whatever they were set at the factory.  Never have touched them.  never had a need to.

And right you are. Wish I never had touched mine in... 1980. Still trying to find the original and right setting. Airscrews on my bike do matter at wider throttle openings. I've tested this several times. Immediately after adjusting I went to the Autobahn and after long rides found out mileage was truely affected. And now you theoreticians may chime in.
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Re: What are YOUR air screws set at?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 11:57:12 AM »
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Mine are whatever they were set at the factory.  Never have touched them.  never had a need to.

And right you are. Wish I never had touched mine in... 1980. Still trying to find the original and right setting. Airscrews on my bike do matter at wider throttle openings. I've tested this several times. Immediately after adjusting I went to the Autobahn and after long rides found out mileage was truely affected. And now you theoreticians may chime in.

Did you check prevailing head wind variance?

Do you understand yet the functional difference between standard bikes and your bike that has the inlet restrictor, and how it drastically alters the carb throat pressures?

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