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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2011, 12:50:44 PM »
I'm not paying my hard earned cash to prove a point to some non believers ...  If anyone wants to pay the cost I will gladly do it and video document the whole process.  If people are willing to donate a couple bucks each I can make it happen.   Its $25 bucks a sample,  so we're looking at $50 for side by side comparison. 
" Why does anyone get offended by what someone does to their own bike? I dont get it. "

You made me think about it after I cheered knowing someone else would like to know what these control freaks are up to.
 Every time any owner strips whatever precious Honda part the horrified purists parts go up in value. That's not the part that bothers them.
 What bothers them is they sat up late at night, their breast full of wonder and estrogen, unable to sleep, dreaming about their lovely darling and all her glory... and next thing you know someone else doesn't share their emotional deluge and their reaction is they must spread their mind museum as far as they possibly can, taking over as much of the real world as possible.

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2011, 12:56:13 PM »
As for cars... couldn't resist to bring this back from the archives.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=37063.msg389960#msg389960
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2011, 01:34:09 PM »
I'm not anti Amsoil, I'm actually a believer in using additives, (hence my earlier Pro-Ma comments) but what the earlier poster missed during his "I'm a noob, but I demand to be heard" tirade was that I thought he was being ever so slightly hypocritical opening his post with "Most additives are snake oil" then, singing the praises of a product (Amsoil) which is just a base oil mixed with additives?

And I nearly fell over laughing when I saw that "designed obsolesence" was now a japanese invention, I believe that a certain Mr Henry Ford may well have been the fellow responsible, and not Mr Soichiro Honda, 50 years later..............   ::)

And Warwick, no offense to you mate, I'm gonna give Amsoil a try in one of my cars as soon as I can find some, but over here, 10,000 miles between oil changes for a modern Ford is nothing mate, the standard service intervals for my Ford company car is 20,000 KM, or 12,000 miles on standard mineral oil, so assuming that US built Ford engines are of the same high quality as Aussie built Ford engines, if Amsoil is as good as you think it is, you'd want to be getting at least 20,000 miles between oil changes to make the additional cost worthwhile, wouldn't you? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2011, 01:47:40 PM »
i gave no opinion of amsoil,i gave no opinion of any product,i just stated a fact,oils wont last for ever,i wont be buying any amsoil though,i feel the price of any super duper oils in my old 550 far out weighs any gains that might be had using them,i use the same oil in my honda as my holden and mower.

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2011, 05:59:49 PM »
Terry, I can't believe you are falling back into this trap mate. While you boys argue, I am going to:

Put some Seafoam in my tank.
Put some Marvel, Zinc and Tea Tree oil in the Diesel Oil I use.
Attach magnets to my fuel lines to align the molecules.
Replace my inline filter.
Put some Helium in the tires to lighten the bike.
Take off my airbox and put the pods on.

Once that is over I may clean and oil my guns.

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2011, 06:24:37 PM »
Don't forget the dynabeads in the tires and the plane does not take off.  ;D
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2011, 08:32:38 PM »
Don't forget the dynabeads in the tires and the plane does not take off.  ;D
Yes I will put them in the original tires which have some thread left.
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2011, 03:13:02 AM »
Terry, I can't believe you are falling back into this trap mate. While you boys argue, I am going to:

Put some Seafoam in my tank.
Put some Marvel, Zinc and Tea Tree oil in the Diesel Oil I use.
Attach magnets to my fuel lines to align the molecules.
Replace my inline filter.
Put some Helium in the tires to lighten the bike.
Take off my airbox and put the pods on.

Once that is over I may clean and oil my guns.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Ha ha, fair enough Bobby, we all know that the poor old orphan K8 needs all the help you can give it just to keep up with the earlier (superior) models, so why not?

Now put those guns down mate, you know I'm only kidding............... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2011, 07:22:49 AM »
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And Warwick, no offense to you mate, I'm gonna give Amsoil a try in one of my cars as soon as I can find some, but over here, 10,000 miles between oil changes for a modern Ford is nothing mate, the standard service intervals for my Ford company car is 20,000 KM, or 12,000 miles on standard mineral oil, so assuming that US built Ford engines are of the same high quality as Aussie built Ford engines, if Amsoil is as good as you think it is, you'd want to be getting at least 20,000 miles between oil changes to make the additional cost worthwhile, wouldn't you? Cheers, Terry

The oil I was using previous to my testing phase that ultimately convinced me Amsoil was the best (of everything I tried) .... was Motocraft Semi-Syn 5w20 that is the recommended oil for the car.  I wish I had pictures of the sludge in my drain bucket at 3K and terrible oil consumption.  At the time I was doing oil changes on the floor (ugh) and just drained it into drain pans.  I got to watch as I poured it into the 55gallon waste oil drum.  It was nasty stuff.  I still do some oil changes on the ground now...Limousines aren't safe to put on my lift.... so watching the amsoil flow from the drain bucket it looks like heavenly nectar.  Like I said before the amsoil filter does seem to make a large difference.  One experiment I DID NOT do was to use the amsoil filter with the Motorcraft oil.  But since the amsoil has been doing so well I dont think Ill go back. 12K miles on the motorcraft would have ended up in some pretty heavy bearing scoring IMO.  The only motor I ever had to replace was one in which the motorcraft was all it had seen.  It lost compression at 260K miles.  I didnt bother to do leakdowns or anything of the sort.  It was a straight pull and swap with a known good motor.  We cannot afford the down time of a car being fixed for more than a couple days.  I wish I had kept to motor to tear down and rebuild so i could have seen why it lost compression but I didnt.   It was sold on Craigslist as low compression on cylinder 6.  Long story short.  Try out the Amsoil with an Amsoil filter, worst case you spent a little extra on an O/C, no biggie.
" Why does anyone get offended by what someone does to their own bike? I dont get it. "

You made me think about it after I cheered knowing someone else would like to know what these control freaks are up to.
 Every time any owner strips whatever precious Honda part the horrified purists parts go up in value. That's not the part that bothers them.
 What bothers them is they sat up late at night, their breast full of wonder and estrogen, unable to sleep, dreaming about their lovely darling and all her glory... and next thing you know someone else doesn't share their emotional deluge and their reaction is they must spread their mind museum as far as they possibly can, taking over as much of the real world as possible.

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2011, 02:18:14 PM »
No worries mate, I'll be happy to give it a try. That sludge thing is amazing, the company car I drive is a factory E Gas model, i.e., it runs on straight liquid propane gas, (LPG) and has never seen gasoline.

The exhaust pipe has no carbon in it at all, to the point where it's showing signs of rust inside, and I can pull the dipstick after 20,000 Km (12,000 miles) and that oil looks just like it did the day it was poured into the engine.

Are there LPG conversions available for your Limo's? The taxi industry here has been using LPG for 30+ years, and I remember talking to a cab owner/driver all those years ago who told me that he used to change his oil every 5000 miles when his cars were running on gasoline, so after the LPG conversion he checked the oil at 5000 and it looked new, so he left it for another 5000, and it still looked new, so he didn't dump it out until the 20,000 mile mark, where he took a sample to an industrial chemist who tested it and told him that it had no carbon contamination at all, and had lost none of it's viscosity. He upped his oil change intervals from 5000 miles (weekly) to 50,000 miles, (monthly) and the cab I was riding in had done 500,000 miles on the one engine (a Ford 6 cylinder crossflow) with no major signs of wear. 

Over here LPG is less than half the price of gasoline, and while not as efficient (you lose a small amout of horsepower and gas mileage goes down a bit) it's still a nice sheap alternative to gasoline, and it's much kinder to your engine (and the environment) than gasoline. Cheers, Terry.   ;D 
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2011, 06:16:39 PM »
Terry, I can't believe you are falling back into this trap mate. While you boys argue, I am going to:

Put some Seafoam in my tank.
Put some Marvel, Zinc and Tea Tree oil in the Diesel Oil I use.
Attach magnets to my fuel lines to align the molecules.
Replace my inline filter.
Put some Helium in the tires to lighten the bike.
Take off my airbox and put the pods on.

Once that is over I may clean and oil my guns.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Ha ha, fair enough Bobby, we all know that the poor old orphan K8 needs all the help you can give it just to keep up with the earlier (superior) models, so why not?

Now put those guns down mate, you know I'm only kidding............... ;D
No worries Mate. Since these are circular arguments I decided to take a piss. The Buffalo Trace helped a bit.  ;)
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2011, 06:18:25 PM »
Hmmm -- Propane powered Honda 750---C'mon Terry you can do it with all that stuff in your stash---  Be the first

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2011, 07:24:11 PM »
Ha ha, well I've seen an LPG conversion kit for a lawn mower on EBay Eric, so I guess it's possible, but I'd like a swoopier looking tank than just an old gas cylinder sitting between my knees!  ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2011, 08:09:22 PM »
Something swoopier? I thought everything in Australia looked like the road warrior! An lp tank would fit right in! ;D

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2011, 02:41:08 AM »
Something swoopier? I thought everything in Australia looked like the road warrior! An lp tank would fit right in! ;D

Ha ha, that's right mate, just like everything in the US is like a scene from "Blazing Saddles" ;D

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I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2011, 02:42:53 AM »
i thought everthing in the us was like a fantasy"brady bunch"/"happy days world"?if only we could all be like kramer from sienfeld,im sure he would have some trippy ideas on oils and additives,,POP.
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« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2011, 03:34:59 AM »
i thought everthing in the us was like a fantasy"brady bunch"/"happy days world"?if only we could all be like kramer from sienfeld,im sure he would have some trippy ideas on oils and additives,,POP.

I don't know if we'd all want to be like Kramer Dave, or at least Michael Richards who plays Kramer, he went mental a couple of years ago on stage and upset the crowd with a lot of rascist taunts. I thought about posting the youtube vid, but the mods would probably all yell at me, so you'll have to look it up yourself. Cheers, Terry. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2011, 07:02:02 AM »
Inspired by this thread.. I bought some sea foam and put some in my gas. It was running great before, and still runs great.
I also got some Honda GN4 Genuine 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil SAE 10W-40 SJ
to replace the O'Reilly's the discount 10W-40 ...  ???
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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2011, 09:48:00 AM »
Terry that's pretty cool about the LPG.  I think out issue would be frequent fill ups.  Right now we're running about 45 trips a day in 21 cars.  Its freaky busy.  Here in the US LPG just isnt readily available for filling up cars.  We looked into Natural Gas supplementation for our fleet but it was so much work for little pay off.  Not to mention we can't get our drivers to stop running into things, or remembering to pull the gas nozzle out of the filler neck before driving off.  Getting them to fill up with LPG would be impossible  :(
" Why does anyone get offended by what someone does to their own bike? I dont get it. "

You made me think about it after I cheered knowing someone else would like to know what these control freaks are up to.
 Every time any owner strips whatever precious Honda part the horrified purists parts go up in value. That's not the part that bothers them.
 What bothers them is they sat up late at night, their breast full of wonder and estrogen, unable to sleep, dreaming about their lovely darling and all her glory... and next thing you know someone else doesn't share their emotional deluge and their reaction is they must spread their mind museum as far as they possibly can, taking over as much of the real world as possible.

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Re: Engine additives - snake oil or magic potion?
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2011, 10:10:25 AM »
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Ha ha, that's right mate, just like everything in the US is like a scene from "Blazing Saddles" ;D
Not the whole US, only Utah! And texas.