Topic: Inspiration for My CB77

[bill440cars]

  This is SOMETHING like I am wanting to do with a  CB77 Super Hawk

         

[Killer Canary]

Nice! Have you gotten started?

[bill440cars]

  I have started on mocking thing up, it is hard to find time, between things going on with my Dad and with us and then there is the heat (been over 100 for so long, I don't remember how long it has been). I'm still accumulating some parts for it too, like recently I found   a CL lower mount for the CL steering damper that I want to put on there. I saw a set of "Clip On" bars on ebay, but I have the original Super Hawk Low bars and think I'm going with that. The front fender I finally managed to get from ebay, had SOME damage, but not much and I have worked that out a few days ago. I have to do some work on the rear fender too. I will probably go with an original super Hawk front wheel, but I have had some thoughts about doing a disc brake on the front, just not sure I can make it LOOK good. Some things just shouldn't be changed, you know? We'll have to see about the front wheel and brake issue.

[Bodi]

It's OK I guess.
I wouldn't cut a rear fender, they're rather rare although finding one somebody else cut is possible. Nice to see he didn't bob the front fender.
The triangle looks messy. Clean up the battery mount somehow or move it (the CB77 doesn't need a big battery and this engine has had the starter removed).
Using the stock air tubes as velocity stacks is an interesting move. I would want air filters on a rider, even real velocity stacks with fine mesh screens would keep gravel out.
I don't think the alternator is attractive, leaving the cover off just exposes the stator coil to damage.

[Killer Canary]

Cafeing(is that a word?) my CB350 gave me a healthy respect for Honda twins. They were around at the time so they're legit, not like new bikes made to look classic. Would you post a pic of what you have so far?

[bill440cars]

It's OK I guess.
I wouldn't cut a rear fender, they're rather rare although finding one somebody else cut is possible. Nice to see he didn't bob the front fender.
The triangle looks messy. Clean up the battery mount somehow or move it (the CB77 doesn't need a big battery and this engine has had the starter removed).
Using the stock air tubes as velocity stacks is an interesting move. I would want air filters on a rider, even real velocity stacks with fine mesh screens would keep gravel out.
I don't think the alternator is attractive, leaving the cover off just exposes the stator coil to damage.

      Hey Bodi. I sure won't be cutting any Super Hawk fenders, you can bet on that, This one that I have shown, is a built as a factory reproduction, using factory available parts. It seems Honda built 2 different versions of racing versions on the CB77, 1 that they sold to customers and their factory sponsored versions. 

       BTW, I am like you, about the fenders, I hate to see a bobbed front fender on a CB72/77 OR a CL72/77. I wouldn't be running the alternator w/o the cover either. If a person wanted the look of not having a cover, maybe a transparent cover could be made for it. I am looking for a distinctive look and this one IS interesting. I will be trying to "hide" any wires and such, that I can, to give it a "Clean look".  Appreciate your input.   

[strynboen]

i have just get one this summer,,,,use the winter to polish that great breakes. have a frozen engine..but have get it loose,,just need a nev cam chain
and 4 years work..and a lot of money...

[bill440cars]

i have just get one this summer,,,,use the winter to polish that great breakes. have a frozen engine..but have get it loose,,just need a nev cam chain
and 4 years work..and a lot of money...

    Nice job on that one. Thanks for posting about it and adding the pictures. Always like to see a Super Hawk or Hawk, out there looking Good!.   

[strynboen]

dont tell anybody...but at freday i have a look at this cbx...hope it are ok..and my vife like it..and pay aut...

funny thing abaut that cb 77..it have add a stering dæmper..and already have that adjustable  one in stering senter????as all cb 72 and 77 have.. vhy add  one more,,, just fun/or for looks only
and yes klear altenator cover,,can be done..pexiglas and heat..then you can press it to right form

[bill440cars]

dont tell anybody...but at freday i have a look at this cbx...hope it are ok..and my vife like it..and pay aut...

funny thing abaut that cb 77..it have add a stering dæmper..and already have that adjustable  one in stering senter????as all cb 72 and 77 have.. vhy add  one more,,, just fun/or for looks only
and yes klear altenator cover,,can be done..pexiglas and heat..then you can press it to right form

   Can't feel bad because you got a CBX, if you'll notice my avatar, I have one as well and Love it!
That looks like a nice one too. Enjoy! 

  I really don't know why they have both steering dampers on that Super Hawk. Personally, I'd have left the friction one off and just gone with the hydraulic one like the CL72/77 has. Maybe, in racing, it ALL helps, I don't know. Myself, I don't know that I'd ever go to the trouble to make a plexiglass alternator cover, but thanks for the input though.   
   

[HondanutRider]

Hey Bill, if you are looking at adding a disc to the front, maybe this mod that I did back in the 60's would give you some ideas.  Before the 750 came out, disc brakes were being used on the production race bikes, and as an engineering student I had access to some aluminum and a lathe to fabricate some "decorative" rings that I mounted over my Hawk's front brake rotor.  They sort-of looked like slotted discs and I imagined they added to the heat dissipation capability.  Here's a picture of what they looked like.  (I actually still have the "rings" and that Hawk - they just aren't mounted anymore.)

[bill440cars]

Hey Bill, if you are looking at adding a disc to the front, maybe this mod that I did back in the 60's would give you some ideas.  Before the 750 came out, disc brakes were being used on the production race bikes, and as an engineering student I had access to some aluminum and a lathe to fabricate some "decorative" rings that I mounted over my Hawk's front brake rotor.  They sort-of looked like slotted discs and I imagined they added to the heat dissipation capability.  Here's a picture of what they looked like.  (I actually still have the "rings" and that Hawk - they just aren't mounted anymore.)

        Hey, thanks for the input. Always good to see another Hawk or Super Hawk, that is out there. Seems like I have seen some Royal Enfields with those. Pretty cool at that. Thanks for posting. 

[Old Scrambler]

Hello Bill...........A good friend has a CB77 with the low bars and racing seat. He rode it around Lake Superior with us a few years ago. He rode my CL77 for a few miles while I had the CB.............what a difference!  We both agreed..........the seat and bars made you feel like riding IN the bike while the taller seat and bars on the CL made you feel you were just ON the bike.

I just cleared some inventory at the Road America swap meet........sold 3 CB77s as projects. Still have a few odd parts, maybe a fender or two, and some steel front forks....and maybe a set of velocity stacks.

[bill440cars]

       

Hello Bill...........A good friend has a CB77 with the low bars and racing seat. He rode it around Lake Superior with us a few years ago. He rode my CL77 for a few miles while I had the CB.............what a difference!  We both agreed..........the seat and bars made you feel like riding IN the bike while the taller seat and bars on the CL made you feel you were just ON the bike.

I just cleared some inventory at the Road America swap meet........sold 3 CB77s as projects. Still have a few odd parts, maybe a fender or two, and some steel front forks....and maybe a set of velocity stacks.

        Now, I had one of those old (new, at the time) Honda racing seats. that I bought while I was stationed in Japan and it DID feel pretty good, but my '66 CB72 had the higher bars. I DID try a set of "clip-ons", but didn't feel comfortable with them being so short. The Super Hawk low bars might have done the trick for me, but I didn't think to try them. 

        Sounds like you did do a bit of "shop cleaning, huh? So what kind of things do you have left over?   

[lucky]

Just seeing that CB77 is more exciting than some of these new motorcycles that are covered in expensive plastic, and the frame wraps all around the engine and you cannot see the engine or work on it. Nightmare wiring too.

[bill440cars]

Just seeing that CB77 is more exciting than some of these new motorcycles that are covered in expensive plastic, and the frame wraps all around the engine and you cannot see the engine or work on it. Nightmare wiring too.

   I totally agree with that. I don't like the engine to be covered up, on anything. My '07 Charger R/T had the 5.7L HEMI covered by a large piece of plastic and THAT was the 1st thing to go. 

  I have always thought the Super Hawk (and the smaller 250 Hawk) were really something to see. Thanks for the input, sounds like we think alike on this stuff. 
 

[Greggo]

That is one of the sexiest 'Hawks I've ever seen...DAMN!

[bill440cars]

That is one of the sexiest 'Hawks I've ever seen...DAMN!

  Does kinda "Trip your Trigger, doesn't it? 

[HawaiiMike]

Hi Bill,

I'm glad you aren't going to turn it into a piece of "cafe crap".  A few changes here and there to your Superhawk will make it look cool and won't ruin the bike.

I like cafe racers, but being nearly 50 years old I have a different idea about cafe racers compared with the younger guys.  For example, a stock CB400F is already a cafe racer to me.  I would make minimal mods if I had one.

Superhawks are pretty cool.  That was my first street bike - I think mine was a '66 and I bought it around 1978 for about $300.  Broke a piston ring and sold it for something like $100.

[strynboen]

think they are kool just as stock,,,just like 400 four.. thance so littel as possible.other seat and blinkers ,,and it are perfekt

[bill440cars]

Hi Bill,

I'm glad you aren't going to turn it into a piece of "cafe crap".  A few changes here and there to your Superhawk will make it look cool and won't ruin the bike.

I like cafe racers, but being nearly 50 years old I have a different idea about cafe racers compared with the younger guys.  For example, a stock CB400F is already a cafe racer to me.  I would make minimal mods if I had one.

Superhawks are pretty cool.  That was my first street bike - I think mine was a '66 and I bought it around 1978 for about $300.  Broke a piston ring and sold it for something like $100.

think they are kool just as stock,,,just like 400 four.. thance so littel as possible.other seat and blinkers ,,and it are perfekt

         Oh, I hear you, loud and clear. The main I can afford a "real" restoration and will be mainly changing the seat, exhaust, headlight and gauges and possibly a few other minor things. I THOUGHT I was going to have to come up with a front fender, but I finally managed to come up with one, with minor problems. The things like the way the engine hangs in the frame, the gas tank, the fenders (especially the front one) and even that weird "forward kicker" kick start just always caught my eye, from the 1st time I saw a Super Hawk. BTW, I have the low bars on there. I had a '66 CB72 Hawk, back in the late 60's. I had tried to get a Super Hawk and the CB72 was as close as I could find. Great bike and I had loads of fun with that one.     

[strynboen]

its fun that the cbx engine hangs at same vay in frame..bolted to top of engine.and rear gearbox..in both mashine the engine looks big in that small frame and the tank almost not can be there

[lucky]

Hi Bill,

I'm glad you aren't going to turn it into a piece of "cafe crap".  A few changes here and there to your Superhawk will make it look cool and won't ruin the bike.

I like cafe racers, but being nearly 50 years old I have a different idea about cafe racers compared with the younger guys.  For example, a stock CB400F is already a cafe racer to me.  I would make minimal mods if I had one.

Superhawks are pretty cool.  That was my first street bike - I think mine was a '66 and I bought it around 1978 for about $300.  Broke a piston ring and sold it for something like $100.

I agree that the CB400F WAS one of the Original CAFE racers.
No changes need at all.

I bought one brand new. It had the 5 speed.
Smooth as glass.

[strynboen]

6 speed...i have one....it vent to the spare part heaven..so got this ...

[SoyBoySigh]

Interesting mix on this thread, CB72, CB77 - CBX and CB400F - Put 'em all together and what do you get?

My '82 CB900F Bol D'Or based homage to the '65 CB450K0 Black Bomber - my "CB900K0 Bol Bomber"!

And hey - if anybody's still got some old "Bacon Slicer" cooling rings for their drum brakes? They should be ROCKIN' them things!

I've been looking at making a couple sets myself, for the Suzuki 4LS drum on my lil' GRRRL'z "KZ440LOL" - for the T500 2LS drum on the wheel we're building for a possible side-hack wheel, for the rear 40-spoke KZ400 rear hub, practically anything else.

The "KZ440LOL" front rim is in my avatar pic - it's a 3.00x16" rim, for maxi-scooter spec tires in 110/70-16 & 140/70-16 low-profile radial tires. And as you can see, not a heck of a lot of room for the Bacon Slicers, in fact they might as well attach at BOTH ends, to the hub AND to the shoulders of the valanced rim! But I'm thinking of my Bacon Slicers being angled outward, "dished", possibly made from some old Aluminum FRYING PANS from a 2nd-hand store. Ideally, I'd grab something from the same 1972 vintage or earlier, to match the age of the drum. Not TOO big but attached right, shrink-fit to the circumference of the hub itself, on the outside edge to keep the heated-up hub from opening up at the outward "bell-ends" - something you'd worry about more with a really large SINGLE-sided drum, I realize. But I'm sure there's still application for this kind of thing right here.

Well, obviously I've got to get the REST of the period-correct stuff going on first, otherwise it'll look douche-baggery.....

That CB72 racer up above though, DAMN that's a good look for a Honda - Would make a great look for the CBX, which I love not so much for it's overweight 6-cylinder engine (when the CB1100R engine would do just nicely, thanks!) but rather for it's open-cradle FRAME more than anything else! Well, also 'cause it's a cousin to the DOHC-4 series with all sorts of cross-over parts so yeah - gotta love it!

Really though - the open-cradle frame would make for a wonderful tribute to the '60s Honda TWINS. Especially with the Tony Foale leading-link forks! Which he made specifically for the CBX & CB900F etc - for the KZ1000 and GS1000 as well, I suppose. Never seen one on the front end of an XS11 but there could be one out there. A DiFazio hub center-steer would be good too. One of my favourite bikes of all times is that blue GL1000 Goldwing with the DiFazio hub-center steer wire-spoke front end on it. AWESOME. Or how about the Christian Fior Hossack-style front suspension on the "GEIDAM" race-bikes. WOW very cool stuff.



If I had any of these "Funny Front End" designs on my "CB900K0 Bol Bomber", I'd call it a "CB902" instead - homage to the '59 CB92 Benly Super-Sport! I mean damn - it's a SUPER-SPORT after all!

-Sigh.