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Offline cbsean

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crash and learned
« on: March 12, 2013, 02:16:44 AM »
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ZW7wKZXvM[/VIDEO]

limiting my lean angle on this unfamiliar would have made me better prepared to deal with the road's change from positive to negative camber.

i had the crankcase repaired with jb-weld, bent the subframe straight. all i have to do is weld the passenger peg back on.

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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 05:36:12 AM »
How long have you been riding..?  Sorry but that just looked like rider error to me, you weren't even going that fast... :o
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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 10:59:16 AM »
of course it was rider error. at the end of the day rider error is the cause of 100% of motorcycle accidents.

I have been riding for 11+ years and 100k miles.

the crash wasn't about going too fast it was using too much lean angle to compensate for bad line selection. the road has neutral camber but there's a small crest in the road, after which the road runs into negative camber towards the culvert drainage, off teh road to your right. it's crazy but the front held until it was leveraged off the ground. i don't know whether the bike fell off the rear tire or went into a slide but in a single motion the bike went from controlling the bike to controlling the slide.

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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 11:46:44 AM »
Damn, I hate that sound! Your rear wheel didn't catch the road edge did it?
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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 03:54:04 PM »
of course it was rider error. at the end of the day rider error is the cause of 100% of motorcycle accidents.

I have been riding for 11+ years and 100k miles.

the crash wasn't about going too fast it was using too much lean angle to compensate for bad line selection. the road has neutral camber but there's a small crest in the road, after which the road runs into negative camber towards the culvert drainage, off teh road to your right. it's crazy but the front held until it was leveraged off the ground. i don't know whether the bike fell off the rear tire or went into a slide but in a single motion the bike went from controlling the bike to controlling the slide.

That makes no sense to me at all i'm sorry, looks like you picked the wrong line, stood the bike up a bit, looked at where you were headed instead of where you were supposed to be going and touched the rear brake, there's no way you were leaned over too far and if your rear tire let go at that speed and angle {without hitting gravel} then you either have complete crap tires {i don't think any tire is that bad} or i suspect BS.  Those motard bikes are perfect for those type of roads and handle far better than you are suggesting here, if you really believe what you just said , if it were me, i would go do a rider course because that stack had nothing to do with the bike, tires or road, it was all rider error....  Sorry to be so harsh but i have seen it plenty of times before. Dave500 and I were discussing another member that did the exact same thing a few weeks ago, we also suggested he do a defensive rider course.
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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 01:30:01 AM »
i appreciate the advise retro and know that i have taken every rider class or trackday lessons ever available to me. i am a competent rider and average a trackday a month. the tires i have are at the end of there life (bridgestone bt003-rs) but i don't believe that was the problem. i doubt the rear tire went off the road as Jeffery suggests because, if it did, then the front would have likely went off the road first.

i have crashed motorcycles at all sorts of speeds and part of the reason i posted the video is to get some perspective. if the problem was target fixation then i would have ran into the culvert drainage but i didn't. i never blamed the bike either as i am well aware that the husky 610sm isn't being pushed to its limits with me on board.

i love riding motorcycles and take full responsibility for my actions and my crashes. i believe poor line selection was part of the problem but im trying to figure out what else contributed to the accident.

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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 03:36:08 AM »
unless there was some fluid of some type on the road, and it doesn't look like it {front would have gone first}, I would say the rear brake locked, whether you are aware of it or not, it looks like you hit the rear brake..It worries me that you say "i have crashed motorcycles at all sorts of speeds", I have been riding for 40 years, had one accident and it wasn't my fault, hit and run, I have done track days {on a FZR1000 and GPX750R} and rode like a lunatic when i was younger, had plenty of scares but only one stack. I still ride fairly hard, just within my limits. I have a favorite ride not far from where i live called Mount Tamborine, very similar to the road you stacked on, it also has some switch backs and blind closing radius corners that keep you focused.   I have watched your video a number of times and it looks like you are looking at the bank or road edge {very easy to do} because your line, once you over commit, doesn't change much at all, then it looks like, just as you are about to go off the road side you hit the rear brake and down it goes, believe it or not, that is a very common set of circumstances... I'm glad you are not offended by my observations, that was not the intent... ;)
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Re: crash and learned
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2013, 12:54:51 AM »
you crashed you work it out,cameras never really show the correct angles etc,i cant judge the camber,i think you just turned too late and ran wide?