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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2011, 07:46:00 PM »
I find that some of the threads from newbies that sit idle get piles of responses after an experienced member drops in just to welcome them, i have done this on a few occasions and the OP got immediate responses..... ;)
Yes that is true, tat is because when an old timer posts other old timers come in to break their shoes.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

At least the question gets answered.

Better go back and put my shoes on then..... ;) ;D
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2011, 09:14:36 PM »
This site has saved me hours of time, and I have talk to some very helpful people. A big thank you to everyone!! ;D
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2011, 10:33:46 PM »
ok, someone has to say it.. There are times when a newbie has a question that, as posed reveals the fact that the asker wont understand the answer, OR it reveals that there's been zero effort to understand the nature of the problem from literature available, literature that many of us have spent a tremendous amount of time pouring over. Rather than take the time to write a Tolstoy-sized novel to someone who's still in the 'Little Golden Book" stage, sometimes it's easier not to respond. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is. And in a way, it's tough love... most of my understanding of this work is from botching things, or getting in over my head. You REALLY absorb the theory of operation when you don't have someone saying do A, then B, then C and you're done.. sure it might work, but you wont have learned a thing.

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2011, 03:35:21 AM »
Phil71, you are right.  I teach for a living and see this stuff everyday.  Some students will resist learning at all costs and just want the answer so they can "move on" Some really want to learn the subject and don't mind taking the time to do it.  Others blindly plug along and just do whatever it is they do without any emotional investment.  I guess it is human nature.  I certainly didn't mean to be critical of those that respond, or don't respond here, I just saw a couple of 0 replies about 15 items down and could relate to the newbie that was refreshing every 15 minutes for acknowledgement.  And yes, his/her time would be best spent reading the manual and old posts while waiting :-)

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2011, 06:42:16 AM »
That gentlemen is what I am talking about. They don't' put in the hours. I teach for a living also. Ignorance can be eliminated in the willing. Stupid cannoit be fixed.
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2011, 10:37:58 AM »
Today's dumb question askers, are tomorrow's dumb question answerers ;)

As a newb myself, I try to absorb as much info as I can from as many resources as I can. This community is great, and the response times are the best. Definitely a great resource. I think when this community helps you(newb or not), it will make you want to contribute as well. This is what perpetuates the social community. Others, helping others.

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2011, 10:53:29 AM »
I typically don't like when people expect to be spoon fed, but I admit there's been some times where I've been lazy and needed a quick answer and always got it right away here.

I really appreciate when people seem to want to learn. A guy may ask a dumb question but sometimes you can tell he's going to be a future expert. Other people ask a dumb question and you can tell they will be an eternal headache.

Spelling and grammar is important. Unless you speak English as a second language I expect your posts not to give me a ****ing headache. That's about the only thing that really pisses me off.

As for answering questions, I try not to unless I am 100% sure I know the answer. I believe that in order for a forum to be good that signal to noise ratio must be high and disinformation must be low. Look at my join date vs. the number of posts I have. SIGNAL TO NOISE!
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2011, 12:34:33 PM »
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Look at my join date vs. the number of posts I have. SIGNAL TO NOISE!

Thats not necessarily the case, some guys come to these places to socialize, some like to read almost everything, there's good info in most places here and it is a forum after all. Diversity is what makes this place great..... ;)
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2011, 12:50:42 PM »
I get a laugh out of it when someone takes the time to write a paragraph to berate a new member for asking a question without doing a search first, when the question itself could be answered with a single sentence.  I figure if you going to go to that effort, why not just answer the question?  The forum needs new members in order to thrive, so why discourage them? 
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2011, 06:22:42 PM »
I get a laugh out of it when someone takes the time to write a paragraph to berate a new member.

Because it is hilarious, both ways :)
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2011, 06:39:47 PM »
There are several answers to the original post.
First, if it's something that has been covered multiple times over several years, it gets old repeating the same thing when search function works pretty good
Second, sometimes there are dumb questions
Third, A bad answer can be dangerous and worse than no answer
Fourth, Not everyone spends all day waiting for questions on internet forums and it's pretty insulting to those of us who have years of knowledge to imply we should.
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2011, 07:16:40 PM »
Third, A bad answer can be dangerous and worse than no answer

That's exactly why whenever I answer a post, I'm absolutely certain I know I right.  Even then, most of the time I caveat what I say with a "IIRC" or the like... 
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2011, 08:36:23 AM »
Well, this forum is like everything in life; you pays your money and you takes your chances. I've noticed it usually takes at least one trip from the top to the bottom of the SOHC/Bikes forum with at least one bump before anyone pays attention. And when they do, unless it's one of the forum heavyweights you have to be real circumspect with the responder's posts. I, for instance, posted a question not too long ago on what I believed to be a potentially harmful topic. The initial responses, though not what I was hoping for, were at least attempts to get with the program with some serious dialog. Unfortunately, several clueless individuals evidently thought it was the silliest question they'd ever heard and proceeded to demonstrate their own ignorance of the subject by ridiculing and deriding the topic, even bringing it up in other, unrelated threads. And to compound their errors, they even went so far as to try and get others to follow their foolish practices. Some of these "Einsteins"  were folks I had looked up to for their "expertise"; not any more. Their experience was requested and appreciated, their derision and outright denial was not. In the end, I was able to get my question answered outside the forum by folks who actually know what they're talking about.

I've been on this forum long enough to realize you're gonna get this buIIshlt from time to time, and so I just kind of shake my head over it and move on. A noob treated in this fashion would likely have dropped the site in embarrassment and frustration. HondaMan's signature says (I'm paraphrasing here) "Motorcycle riders are family; treat them as such", and he's absolutely right. People are here to get their questions answered; they want to participate in the enthusiasm we all share over these bikes, and ignoring their questions or, even worse, ridiculing them not only does not share the knowledge, but turns potentially valuable team members away.

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2011, 10:43:11 AM »
Well, this forum is like everything in life; you pays your money and you takes your chances. I've noticed it usually takes at least one trip from the top to the bottom of the SOHC/Bikes forum with at least one bump before anyone pays attention. And when they do, unless it's one of the forum heavyweights you have to be real circumspect with the responder's posts. I, for instance, posted a question not too long ago on what I believed to be a potentially harmful topic. The initial responses, though not what I was hoping for, were at least attempts to get with the program with some serious dialog. Unfortunately, several clueless individuals evidently thought it was the silliest question they'd ever heard and proceeded to demonstrate their own ignorance of the subject by ridiculing and deriding the topic, even bringing it up in other, unrelated threads. And to compound their errors, they even went so far as to try and get others to follow their foolish practices. Some of these "Einsteins"  were folks I had looked up to for their "expertise"; not any more. Their experience was requested and appreciated, their derision and outright denial was not. In the end, I was able to get my question answered outside the forum by folks who actually know what they're talking about.

I've been on this forum long enough to realize you're gonna get this buIIshlt from time to time, and so I just kind of shake my head over it and move on. A noob treated in this fashion would likely have dropped the site in embarrassment and frustration. HondaMan's signature says (I'm paraphrasing here) "Motorcycle riders are family; treat them as such", and he's absolutely right. People are here to get their questions answered; they want to participate in the enthusiasm we all share over these bikes, and ignoring their questions or, even worse, ridiculing them not only does not share the knowledge, but turns potentially valuable team members away.

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2011, 01:21:49 PM »

Spelling and grammar is important. Unless you speak English as a second language I expect your posts not to give me a ****ing headache. That's about the only thing that really pisses me off.


Wouldn't it be "are" important?  :)

As a relative noob, I've tried to dance on both sides of the line - I asked one or two really naive questions when I was trying to buy a bike, as I didn't yet have any experience with the bikes and wasn't sure where to start.  I received very prompt, helpful answers, which was a great intro/welcome to the site and kept me coming back.  With that said, I now spend a LOT of time reading posts, looking at projects, checking out the FAQ's, and not much time asking questions, because many of them have been covered, so I understand the reluctance to rehash an old topic yet again.  I happen to agree with JWarriner (even though I just gave him a hard time - just playing, no offense) about the signal to noise.  Unless I have something really worth saying, or a question really worth asking that I couldn't absolutely figure out on my own, I don't post, so I'll probably be a perpetual newbie. 

Which brings up another point about noobs; it's interesting having a set post count before someone will do business with you, etc., because that's how your value is determined as a member.  I'm in no way an expert, don't claim to be, and won't be with regards to the bikes themselves, but I have gone out of my way to meet some flesh and blood members from the forum.  Does that show some commitment to being a valuable member?  I would like to think so.  Or, I could just post 100 times in the next hour by adding petty comments to threads or bumping posts to become a Hotshot, Expert, etc. and build cred that way.  Not sure there's an answer (or even a question in there), but it's something I ponder.  Sorry to take this on a tangent, but thought I'd chime in on my experience as a noob on the forum. 

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2011, 02:22:35 PM »

Spelling and grammar is important. Unless you speak English as a second language I expect your posts not to give me a ****ing headache. That's about the only thing that really pisses me off.


Wouldn't it be "are" important?  :)


No, I intended to unitize Spelling & Grammar as a single concept. Throw punctuation in there too. ;)

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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2011, 03:05:56 PM »
Hey, errr... not sure if this is the right place to ask, but uhmmm... what's like the best oil to use? I've got a red bike.

 :D Kidding! I have to post stuff like this to get my post count up so I don't have to do the $@#*ing verification every time.

Seriously though, thanks for maintaining a great resource - I really can't believe how much info there is on this site, and how actively questions get answered. Haven't had to ask many questions (yet!), but I've spent waaaay too many hours sifting through posts and drooling over build threads. Yeah, OK... and the "bikes & babes" thread.
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2011, 03:29:13 PM »
Here is my dumb question just to get it over with

I have my first bike and I am curious to see how quick it accelerates but I don't have a RPM gauge on it.  What is the redline mph in each gear so I can test out my bike and see how quick it is?
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2011, 06:30:43 PM »
what's like the best oil to use? I've got a red bike.
HAHAHAHAHAHA I just laughed so hard at that lol... My gf usually just rolls her eyes when I explain why I'm laughing at the computer screen but she thought that one was pretty funny too lol.

Here is my dumb question just to get it over with

I have my first bike and I am curious to see how quick it accelerates but I don't have a RPM gauge on it.  What is the redline mph in each gear so I can test out my bike and see how quick it is?

I wonder if there is a way you could send all first questions to the same thread.  Or maybe we could start a "First Questions" thread haha - we could all look ours up for a little poking fun (light-heartedly of course).

...oh man I'm still chuckling about that ^^^ haha
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2011, 06:34:30 PM »
Here is my dumb question just to get it over with

I have my first bike and I am curious to see how quick it accelerates but I don't have a RPM gauge on it.  What is the redline mph in each gear so I can test out my bike and see how quick it is?

Oh ya I meant to respond to that.... haha.  Welp, I'll have to do some "research" on the subject tomorrow!  ;)
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2011, 06:45:01 PM »
Here is my dumb question just to get it over with

I have my first bike and I am curious to see how quick it accelerates but I don't have a RPM gauge on it.  What is the redline mph in each gear so I can test out my bike and see how quick it is?
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2011, 10:42:25 PM »
Not sure if I have stock gearing or not but I do have wider tires. Thanks for the link and it is a pleasant surprise because I was shifting at 25, 50, and 65. Looks like I have a lot more room to go.

A newbie thread or even forum section would be awesome.

Still learning my bike and trying to figure out how to shift into reverse. I have been cheating though and pushing it backwards in neutral.
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2011, 11:18:43 PM »
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Sorry but i had to laugh at that one...no reverse mate...... ;D
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2011, 07:25:26 AM »
Not sure if I have stock gearing or not but I do have wider tires. Thanks for the link and it is a pleasant surprise because I was shifting at 25, 50, and 65. Looks like I have a lot more room to go.

A newbie thread or even forum section would be awesome.

Still learning my bike and trying to figure out how to shift into reverse. I have been cheating though and pushing it backwards in neutral.

You have to turn around in the saddle to where you are facing the rear of the bike whilst sitting down.
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Re: Newbie post response time and thoughts
« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2011, 08:32:20 AM »
What is the general consensus on this forum to be a so called "newbie"? Is it the number of posts or the time on the site?  ::)
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