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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2011, 12:35:46 PM »
Got an email from the creator of that youtube video..
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The alternators I used on th' police bikes were nippondenso IR/IF 40 amp. They are used on kubota products, probably other applications. Hope this is helpful.
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2011, 12:52:13 PM »
http://www.motorcityreman.com/deoe022.html

25 amp 12 volt....that shouldnt overcharge the battery should it? 

The goldwings use a 90 amp and a 45 amp

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2011, 01:49:42 PM »
Am I missing something here?  Aren't alternators designed to sense battery condition and limit the charge to what is needed?  Why wouldn't a 1000 amp unit work on our batteries, besides the physical size, with a properly functioning regulator?

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2011, 03:56:33 PM »
well only one real way to find out i guess. Im gonna see how strong a battery I can put in the original place and then order an alternator and start the process. Wish me luck.

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2011, 06:16:11 PM »
Have you even determined how much power you or your bike needs?
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2011, 06:37:23 PM »
An alternator will only charge when the battery is loaded down to a certain point. It won't overcharge the battery. As for it handling the RPMs of a motorcycle there are plenty of high revving cars out there. I personally had a Honda S2000 that had a 9000 RPM redline.
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2011, 07:02:30 PM »
I saw a post on here somewhere showing what all our bike draws...
Really only a headlight, and some spark for the plugs.
After a battery reaches a certain voltage it just absorbs it somehow---give  it 100 volts and it will stay at 14v no matter. I just dunno about the amperage line of thinking.

I guess a good idea would be to install an inline cutoff switch and only turn it on while cruising around town and off while on my short highway runs

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2011, 08:02:11 PM »
Mercuno; I used one of them little 35 amp Nippon Denso internally regulated alternators on my bike. I run it just under crankshaft speed. It charges even at a slow idle. There is only two wires used to make it work...one big wire directly to the battery and one small sensing wire to the ignition "on." These alternators can rotate CW or CCW...just the fan part matters if the alternator is under a hood.




My bike is supercharged and I use the alternator as a tensioner for the blower belt. You can quite easily do something similar sans the blower stuff. I removed the stock rotor and machined all the unneeded stuff from same.


I made a place for a seal and step/with key on the old rotor;


I used timing belt pulleys...you could use v-belts:


Made a different cover to hold the seal and have the pulley on the outside of the cover (away from oil):




Here is the new cover in place with the pulley. I have a 3/8" thick aluminum bracket sandwiched between the engine and the cover. You need two gaskets of course. You have to make a longer starter idler shaft as well


I have used two brackets for a jackshaft going to the blower drive which you won't need to do of course...just showing you the reasoning behind the sandwiched 3/8" aluminum. You could easily make a similar sandwiched aluminum bracket to hold an alternator.




You have to seal the big rotor bolt. The crankshaft is hollow and oil will get past the threads.

Hope this gives you another way to "skin the cat?"

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2011, 08:50:24 PM »
That is soooo awesome!!!!
However I seem to be much much tighter on space than you.
My first thoughts are that I want it all covered so I dont get some pants wrapped up in a belt.
So I love the pulley being machined to fit on the old rotor location.
I took off the chain cover to see what I might could do and came up with two ideas

1. Run a pulley off the old rotor--extend the footpeg and clutch peg and integrate a bracket / cover And try to shoehorn it in right next to the front chain sprocket.

2. Add a pulley to the front chain sprocket and run it up to where the rectifier and solenoid ect are and then just relocate all that stuff.

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2011, 08:51:25 PM »
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2011, 08:51:50 PM »
Wow!.... have you noticed this mod is on a 750, not a 550 firstly and secondly, that's an extreme amount of work to 'showcase' an unnecessary modification. :o The stock alt. produces 13Amps or more than 150 watts and is very reliable . Any failures I have read about here have been all either 40 yr. old neglected wiring connectors or shorted/open rectifiers caused by reversed polarity connection of the battery and/ or battery charger . Can't even remember a failed field coil or stator.
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2011, 08:57:02 PM »
I get that but it is by far cheaper to do, It is a great talking point and 40 years from now either I or the new owner will only have to replace a cheap alternator and belt.

back to the pics

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2011, 08:57:47 PM »
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2011, 08:58:49 PM »
seems to me would still ride comfortable

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2011, 09:01:33 PM »
Another thing....I took an ac delco fullsize alternator from a chevy and held it up at the top of the frame and turned the front back and forth all the way and it never hit the forks and seems I could fab a bracket around the exhaust easily enough. So back to a pulley on the old rotor shaft and the a blet going forward and up.

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2011, 09:02:17 PM »
You are totally wasting your time even thinking about running it off the sprocket, you do understand how alternators work...?
And if you stick your pegs further out that is also a recipe for disaster, these bikes scrape the pegs quite easily. Why not just make a more modern rotor fit like i suggested earlier, much easier.....
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2011, 09:18:05 PM »
I apologize but I am still really really new to motorcycles. I dont go fast enough ever ever to lean it that far lol.  I am just trying to do this to simplify things. I know it is a mile out of the way to get there but if it breaks it can only be one thing not 4 things to fix.  And how cool is it to be weird...

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2011, 09:20:53 PM »
Nothing wrong with being different, but being practical at the same time also helps. Its not that hard to scrape the pegs mate, i can scrape my 750's doing a u-turn..... ;D ;)
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2011, 09:52:58 PM »
Is there not a key in the shaft for the rotor already?

would I really need a key?

I also hear that the shaft is tapered? all the way up to the crank case ? 

I am thinking Just notch the original cover up top for the belt and mount the alt on the frame front then run the wire. I do the welding and fab for the bracket and have a pulley machined for me. Cost = machined pulley(maybe can find one off the shelf after measuring)  and an alternator. Gonna quit talking now and start doing. gotta scrape together some cash now.

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2011, 10:03:08 PM »
 The main reason I was thinking of doing it.(with Nighthawk/CBX unit) was;
 less rotating weight = quick revs
 run a drive like 23T but with idler.. want to drag race, slack idler, pop belt off...

 Note the crankshaft end is tapered, you need to machine a pulley, or cut up your ritor to use as a hub (more work, but simpler)
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2011, 10:10:06 PM »
  I am just trying to do this to simplify things.
You are taking a simple thing and making it 10x more complicated. JMHO
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2011, 10:37:28 PM »
I saw a post on here somewhere showing what all our bike draws...
Really only a headlight, and some spark for the plugs.
Stock bike draws about 10 Amps/120 watts
Even the Cb550 will make 150W when revved; CB750, 210W

After a battery reaches a certain voltage it just absorbs it somehow---give  it 100 volts and it will stay at 14v no matter. I just dunno about the amperage line of thinking.
You are wrong about that, I'm afraid.  If you simply apply 100 Volts, the battery will reach full charge of 14.5 -15V and then continue to absorb power and dismantle the electrolyte via electrolysis.  The power literally separates the oxygen and hydrogen from the electrolyte and liberates it into the atmosphere.  It looks just like it is boiling.  When the electrolyte level diminishes, the battery increases in heat.  Continued power input can warp the plates, melt the plate separators, and permanently destroy the battery.  The voltage regulators in the system are there to prevent this occurrence, and effectively shut off or diminish the alternator output when the battery is fully charged.

The alternator ratings are specified as maximum output at optimum rotational speed.  They do NOT put out a constant 60 or 25 amps of their rating unless the voltage regulator senses the demand is there.  No demand, and the output is shut off.

  I am just trying to do this to simplify things.
You are taking a simple thing and making it 10x more complicated. JMHO
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2011, 11:13:01 PM »
Use a gilmer type toothed belt. The tension can be much less to avoid stress on the pulleys, bearings  and brackets. I have a mini alternator on my dragster. There was a 4" crank pulley and a little over 2" alt. Pulley. We cross the finish line at 7,400 engine RPM. It's been spun hard. No troubles at all.
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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2011, 10:05:11 AM »
Mercuno; I used one of them little 35 amp Nippon Denso internally regulated alternators on my bike. I run it just under crankshaft speed. It charges even at a slow idle. There is only two wires used to make it work...one big wire directly to the battery and one small sensing wire to the ignition "on." These alternators can rotate CW or CCW...just the fan part matters if the alternator is under a hood.



I tried to source that part from the pic but to no avail...Do you have a P/N on that alternator?

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Re: GM ac delco alternator to fix our charging woes?
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2011, 12:36:08 PM »
Would it not be cleaner and easier to have the original rewound for a higher output?
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