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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 04:55:06 PM »
Not until AFTER something really bad happens. And I hope I'm wrong..

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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2011, 07:18:07 PM »
Fear.Our old guitarist is in a band with Phylo Cramer the Guitarist and founder of Fear.I think they are called the fighting cocks.Now back to the subject at hand.There will never be peace as the ruling class of the world keeps us uneducated and just smart enough to run the machines to make those dollars flow,They(politicians and corporate leaders)have us all fooled into thinking we have 'freedom'or rights.They,own the media,So,they show us what they want,feed us horrible crap,Keep us fat and stupid so we dont question what is really going on,they have the money which means they have the power.The last thing our gubmint wants is intelligent citizens because only smart people can solve whats really going on.What happened to the young people and the anger,I'll tell you what happened the 3 screens,tv,internet,cellphone.

Have you read "A Brave New World" lately?  If not, you should, because that's pretty much exactly what Aldous Huxley was saying. 


To the original question:  Is peace possible?  Yes, anything is possible, but I don't think it's likely.  Humanity was born out of strife, and struggle, and war.  It's in our nature, and where it does not already exist we will create it.  IMO, to breed war out of humans is to evolve into an entirely incompatible species. 

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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 04:24:39 AM »
I don't know how many people here have read Kafka, Plato or Socrates,
but we sometimes are arrogant in our belief that we are more intelligent
than our ancestors and can solve problems that have perplexed humanity since
the dawn of time.

Only the dead have seen the end of war.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 05:56:22 AM »
Already happened- Metta World Peace, there ya go.
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 08:52:59 AM »
my tour over there sucked,it changed me forever.If only,and John Lennon's Imagine is one of my favorite songs ever.NO,I haven't read 1984 or a Brave new world in 30 years,If I do now it would surely freak me out.
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2011, 09:09:31 AM »
my tour over there sucked,it changed me forever.If only,and John Lennon's Imagine is one of my favorite songs ever.NO,I haven't read 1984 or a Brave new world in 30 years,If I do now it would surely freak me out.
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2011, 10:08:17 AM »
speaking with the average person on the street over there I bluntly asked if they hated me or us(USA) and most did,some even said they would have no problem killing me if possible.When you see and smell what we are truly capable of,no matter how many gory shoot em up video games you play.I never want to clean a gun ever again.
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2011, 11:07:44 AM »
You area foreign invader and occupier, flip the situation around in your mind and see how that conversation plays out.

How would you feel about a foreign invader and occupier here in the good ol' Uhmerica?
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2011, 12:18:19 PM »
Hehe, chickenhawks in uniform, that is hilariously funny on so many levels.  ;D
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2011, 01:58:17 PM »
I wasnt disagreeing with em,I'd feel the same way.Except we were there to help,not occupy.gulf #1.
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2011, 10:12:08 PM »
speaking with the average person on the street over there I bluntly asked if they hated me or us(USA) and most did,some even said they would have no problem killing me if possible.When you see and smell what we are truly capable of,no matter how many gory shoot em up video games you play.I never want to clean a gun ever again.

Regretably you were the face that they see of an war and occupation that brought untold devastation, civilian deaths, and destruction.  These people you met on the streets did not ask for this or start this conflict and neither did you.   Without this conflict these people and you would have nothing against one another and would probably get along fine.  It's the military, political, and economic ruling class (in any country) that starts and benefits from these conflicts.  When will people wake up and stop being cannon fodder for the empire?  Sure they dress it all up as defending freedom and democracy, nationalism, or religious differences, take your pick depending on the country,  but that's such a load of bullsh!t.  How else do you get folks the risk and maybe give up their lives for the benefit of the ruling class?
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2011, 10:29:17 PM »
speaking with the average person on the street over there I bluntly asked if they hated me or us(USA) and most did,some even said they would have no problem killing me if possible.When you see and smell what we are truly capable of,no matter how many gory shoot em up video games you play.I never want to clean a gun ever again.

Regretably you were the face that they see of an war and occupation that brought untold devastation, civilian deaths, and destruction.  These people you met on the streets did not ask for this or start this conflict and neither did you.   Without this conflict these people and you would have nothing against one another and would probably get along fine.  It's the military, political, and economic ruling class (in any country) that starts and benefits from these conflicts.  When will people wake up and stop being cannon fodder for the empire?  Sure they dress it all up as defending freedom and democracy, nationalism, or religious differences, take your pick depending on the country,  but that's such a load of bullsh!t.  How else do you get folks the risk and maybe give up their lives for the benefit of the ruling class?

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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2011, 02:49:03 AM »
SO,
if nationalism  and class differences were eliminated,
war would also be?

Somehow I don't think so.

Even if you had only one nation, ruled by a benevolent dictator,
I beleive you would still have wars,
because he/she would eventually turn into a "normal" dictator:
passing decrees against one group or another, because
he/she would be human.



 
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2011, 05:22:03 AM »
Gandhi said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2011, 07:22:25 AM »
Remember this forum's rules regarding politics. Discussing the probabilities of war vs. peace in an apolitical manner is fine. Keep introducing politics and this thread will be deleted.
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2011, 08:13:49 AM »
Remember this forum's rules regarding politics. Discussing the probabilities of war vs. peace in an apolitical manner is fine. Keep introducing politics and this thread will be deleted.

Frankly, I gave this thread about 4 hours to deletion when I saw it started.  I'm surprised it lasted this long.  In short, the answer is "no."  People have been fighting stuff for as long as there had been people.  You know...   Cavemen fought dinosaurs back in the day and the list would go on and on....
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2011, 08:46:04 AM »
we were helping Kuwait,we were'nt occupying or invading,at least thats what we were told.
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2011, 04:44:55 PM »
speaking with the average person on the street over there I bluntly asked if they hated me or us(USA) and most did,some even said they would have no problem killing me if possible.When you see and smell what we are truly capable of,no matter how many gory shoot em up video games you play.I never want to clean a gun ever again.

Regretably you were the face that they see of an war and occupation that brought untold devastation, civilian deaths, and destruction.  These people you met on the streets did not ask for this or start this conflict and neither did you.   Without this conflict these people and you would have nothing against one another and would probably get along fine.  It's the military, political, and economic ruling class (in any country) that starts and benefits from these conflicts.  When will people wake up and stop being cannon fodder for the empire?  Sure they dress it all up as defending freedom and democracy, nationalism, or religious differences, take your pick depending on the country,  but that's such a load of bullsh!t.  How else do you get folks the risk and maybe give up their lives for the benefit of the ruling class?

I'm not sure that I understand your point mate, I agree with most things you say, but are you suggesting that the generations of young men and women who have volunteered to risk their lives to defend the freedoms that we all enjoy should somehow be criticized for their sacrifices? I'd be disappointed if I thought this was what you really think?  ???
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2011, 06:18:07 PM »
speaking with the average person on the street over there I bluntly asked if they hated me or us(USA) and most did,some even said they would have no problem killing me if possible.When you see and smell what we are truly capable of,no matter how many gory shoot em up video games you play.I never want to clean a gun ever again.

Regretably you were the face that they see of an war and occupation that brought untold devastation, civilian deaths, and destruction.  These people you met on the streets did not ask for this or start this conflict and neither did you.   Without this conflict these people and you would have nothing against one another and would probably get along fine.  It's the military, political, and economic ruling class (in any country) that starts and benefits from these conflicts.  When will people wake up and stop being cannon fodder for the empire?  Sure they dress it all up as defending freedom and democracy, nationalism, or religious differences, take your pick depending on the country,  but that's such a load of bullsh!t.  How else do you get folks the risk and maybe give up their lives for the benefit of the ruling class?

I'm not sure that I understand your point mate, I agree with most things you say, but are you suggesting that the generations of young men and women who have volunteered to risk their lives to defend the freedoms that we all enjoy should somehow be criticized for their sacrifices? I'd be disappointed if I thought this was what you really think?  ???
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I signed up, took the Tuition and had to live up to my contract. I have no right to #$%* about it.

I think Srust is looking at the average serviceman as a victim that is not to be criticized. In the 60's there was a slogan "What if they held a War and nobody showed up". The idea is if no one or very few signed up, it would be difficult to get into these adventures.

In WWII the issues were very clear cut, no ambiguity. Even Kuwait was clear, we went in #$%*ed them up, and got out, which is what the US is configured to do.

Today, the goal is a bit fuzzy. I have a friend who was a Gung Ho soldier 25 years in and is now a Major. Three deployments and he will now put in his papers, what he has observed disturbs him.

Back to Srust, during Vietnam the Soldier was the Villain, thankfully the Soldier is being thanked for his service, and any blame is shifted to the powers that be.

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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2011, 06:45:08 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2011, 09:06:12 AM »
I did it cause I was poor,and  wanted an education,but even then,I got screwed.
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2011, 01:34:08 PM »
Peace is possible. You just have to go some where, were there are no people.
People will always fight.
It seems that any group of people will find another group to fight with.
If they can't find another group, they will fight with each other.
The muslims fight with each other.
The native Americans fought with each other.
The USA fought each other in the civil war.
Gangs are fighting other gangs in our own cities.
There have been, there are now, and there will always be people fighting each other, inside and outside their own borders.

Anyway, people are the problem and they probably always will be the problem.

But then again, animals fight over food, sex, power, territory, etc, etc.

So I guess until there are no living creatures on the face of the earth, you will always find something or someone fighting over something.

Try to find peace in your own heart.
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Re: Is peace possible?
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2011, 01:39:47 PM »
Too many #$%*s and not enough cool headed people.
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