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Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« on: September 22, 2011, 08:28:10 PM »
Switched to pod filters for my 75 550. Anyone have any ideas what to do with the breather tube the comes from the top of the head and goes into the stock airbox..?
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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 09:04:48 PM »
buy a longer hose and run it so it exits below the bike, probably around where your battery breather is... Have fun! they can be a pain in the ass!!!

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 10:10:47 PM »
No, no, if you defeat the stock engine breather/filter, the hose should be routed up near or above the speedometer/tach, so you get the same benefits of air quality as the rest of the population.




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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 10:22:54 PM »

Only half joking.  :-\   :)
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 10:39:51 PM »

Only half joking.  :-\   :)
Ha. Only half laughing... ;)
The other half choking?
 :)

Having had a lung disorder, I don't take simple breathing for granted anymore.  It just isn't optional, for those endeared with consciousness.

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 04:42:41 AM »
No, no, if you defeat the stock engine breather/filter, the hose should be routed up near or above the speedometer/tach, so you get the same benefits of air quality as the rest of the population.

I've seen you make this argument before. Does the volume of gasses coming out the breather even compare to the gasses coming out of an otherwise well-running engine (in terms of CO2, CO, hydrocarbons, particulates)? My instinct tells me it would be negligible and thus have no significant impact on the overall air quality impact of a motorcycle. But I really don't know the answer.

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 04:46:44 AM »
I don't know how much emissions are there but wouldn't it be better to install a small breather on the head?
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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 07:36:25 AM »
Any chance you have the stock rubbers between the air box and carbs you'd be willing to sell?

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 07:42:33 AM »
A slight rise in the tube before dropping it to the swingarm area will act as an air/oil separater and help drain some of the condensed oil vapor back into the engine.  The water (steam) will exit as it should. 

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 08:34:16 AM »
have only at tube on its only water,,  komes aut...just run the tube dovn at svingarm..but in one side..if some oil steam hit the wheel..but think not  a problem
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2011, 10:04:42 AM »
1: get a mini-filter and put it on that breather.
2: drill and epoxy an inlet into one of your pods (I use #2) and re route the breather INTO it.
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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 10:53:43 AM »
think that ruin your cab syncro..
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 10:59:22 AM »
doesn't matter what you do with it as long as you keep it handy for the inevitable re-installation of the stock airbox.

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 11:04:03 AM »
No, no, if you defeat the stock engine breather/filter, the hose should be routed up near or above the speedometer/tach, so you get the same benefits of air quality as the rest of the population.

I've seen you make this argument before. Does the volume of gasses coming out the breather even compare to the gasses coming out of an otherwise well-running engine (in terms of CO2, CO, hydrocarbons, particulates)? My instinct tells me it would be negligible and thus have no significant impact on the overall air quality impact of a motorcycle. But I really don't know the answer.

The engine breather emits about 10-20% of the pollutants from an I.C. engine.  The variation stems from the condition of the piston/ring/cylinder fit, and the pressure differential between the combustion chamber and the crankcase chamber.  This fit varies with the temperature of the engine (which is unregulated in the SOHC4 air cooled engine). Anything that leaks past the rings goes into the crankcase.  Some of the combustion contents contaminates the oil supply and the rest exits the breather tube.  Although pure water does condense inside the engine and the breather tube, it is contaminated before exit by both the contents of the blow by gasses and the oil vapor hydrocarbons, almost all of it unburned.  If you think the water that drips out the breather tube is simply water, then I invite you to taste it.   I assure you the taste is NOT that of pure water.

The Hydrocarbons (burnt and unburnt), CO, NOx, and atomized droplets of oil, can easily be prevented from dripping on the ground and polluting the breathable atmosphere, by simply routing these vapors and gasses back to the engine to be re-burned.  This not only benefits breathing mammals on this planet, but the engine itself, though reduced contamination of the oil supply.  For the SOHC4, the slight vacuum applied to the crankcase serves to help the ring seal.  It's most definitely a win-win, to have it and a loss for everyone to defeat it.

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 11:54:00 AM »
What are you doing tasting that stuff?

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 04:54:33 PM »
think that ruin your cab syncro..
Thats why the #2!
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2011, 04:57:24 PM »
think that ruin your cab syncro..
Thats why the #2!

Even so, you're still running with a different air/fuel mixture in that cylinder.

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2011, 05:53:50 PM »
the price I pay to reduce emissions.
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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2011, 10:50:58 PM »
if it is a 550 the honda service bulletin said reroute the hose down behind the motor and take it off the air box none the less keep it handy for when you decide you have had enough intake noise and crappy performance

these carbs require consistent unturbulent air and you can't get that with pods
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2011, 11:24:52 PM »
if it is a 550 the honda service bulletin said reroute the hose down behind the motor and take it off the air box
That was for the 76 model.  However, both the 77 and 78 models had the hoses hooked up to the breather in the air filter box.

I haven't seen it, but I suspect the SB was either rescinded or superceded, particularly after the EPA noticed the engine vapors vented direct to atmosphere.

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2011, 04:21:28 AM »
Here's what I did. I found a small breather at Autozone and fitted the hose from the back of the valve cover to the breather. Then built a bracket to mount it. It seems to be doing a fine job.

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2011, 07:45:37 PM »
To be correct about it,  just run a hose to the back of one of the pod filters.
Drill a hole in the pod filter backing plate and put in a brass barbed hose fitting. Then the gases coming out will get reburned.

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 08:29:52 PM »
For the SOHC4, the slight vacuum applied to the crankcase serves to help the ring seal. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2011, 08:58:01 PM »
For the SOHC4, the slight vacuum applied to the crankcase serves to help the ring seal. 

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Have you ever measured this "slight vacuum"? If so, please post your measured data.
Nope, never measured.  But, the physics say there must be, unless the piston blowby is really severe, of course.
Do you know how a drinking straw works?  Same principle.

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Re: Airbox out?pods in......Where to w the breather tube...?
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2011, 09:06:33 PM »
Measure how much vacuum is developed in the breather hose. This is NOT a PVC system, as used on cars, that tap into the high-vacuum intake manifold.
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