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making new oil lines
« on: May 10, 2006, 02:23:09 PM »
is this something hard to do?
I figure I can get new rubber hoses (1/2", right?), slip some braided stainless sleeve on them, then use stainless clamps to hold everything to the ends.

am I missing anything?

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 02:38:11 PM »
I wouldn't recommend that but it might work

Oil is the lifeblood of your engine. I had some new ones made at my local hydraulic shop. Swagged on the factory ends even. They bolt right on like stock
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 02:39:28 PM »
Andy,

I don't have an answer for you - but I've been curious about the same thing.  I found steel braided hose already at http://www.mcmaster.com/ (sorry I don't know a way to link to javascript - search for "stainless braided hose" and then look at the bottom of pg. 226 "U-Build Smooth-Bore PTFE Hose with Stainless Steel Wire Braid" you can choose ID and length - I have no idea if ~$6.00/ft is reasonable).  The hose here for 1/2" ID - says max PSI should be <1500psi, I know my 750 never goes above 100psi (according to my oil pressure gauge) - so I think we'd be safe in terms of pressure.

Glad you reminded me of my unfinished projects. Good luck, I'll be happy to know if its as easy as it seems.

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 02:48:34 PM »
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The hose here for 1/2" ID - says max PSI should be <1500psi, I know my 750 never goes above 100psi (according to my oil pressure gauge) - so I think we'd be safe in terms of pressure.

Are we talking about the large lines between the tank and the engine? If so, I would think there is very little to no pressure, right? The one just carries oil back to the tank from the sump and the other just gravity feeds oil from the tank to the oil pump.. or am I all wet?
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2006, 03:05:00 PM »
Bob, those are the ones, and I wouldn't think that they carry much pressure, especially the way you describe it

petersan, IF they do carry pressure, but no more than 100 psi, I'm sure 1500 psi lines would be more than ok. thanks for the link. I'm sure honda would want at least 40 bucks a piece for NOS lines, and I know carpy wants a hundred bucks for stainless lines that he puts together himself. I just wouldn't imagine it being that hard

kghost, do you remember how much that was?

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2006, 03:09:25 PM »
$40 bucks all in.

crimp fittings, line, labor
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2006, 03:16:06 PM »
Bob, those are the ones, and I wouldn't think that they carry much pressure, especially the way you describe it

petersan, IF they do carry pressure, but no more than 100 psi, I'm sure 1500 psi lines would be more than ok. thanks for the link. I'm sure honda would want at least 40 bucks a piece for NOS lines, and I know carpy wants a hundred bucks for stainless lines that he puts together himself. I just wouldn't imagine it being that hard

kghost, do you remember how much that was?
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2006, 03:27:57 PM »
I used low pressure oil hoses (up to 45 psi), paid 6 canadian $ for them, and good hose claps. Tried steel braided high pressure ones, works good to, but they are not easy to mount and tricky to put metal ends in. I had to use Dreamel to make diameter bigger. For some reason decided to left a low pressure ones. The only problem, i think, they can be easily bent and it can decrease flow to-from engine. But this almost impossible ::)
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2006, 04:22:52 PM »
I wouldn't recommend that but it might work
Why wouldn't you recommend that ? All the factory hose consists of is a rubber hose, inside a metal sheething, with some pressed
ends on it. All those "AN" lines are , is a rubber hose inside a metal sheeting.

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Save your money, buy some 1/2 lines (braided or not) , and go to town. You can get the pretty hose end clamps
if you like, or some industrial clamps to hold them on their. I am sure they will be fine. No need to re-invent the wheel for
two lines...
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2006, 07:58:03 AM »
BE VERY CAREFUL with soft rubber hoses, back in the days of the K2 Honda paid out a lot of warrantee money because of oil hoses that kinked and degraded on the inside reducing oil flow and knocking out bottom ends, frequently in the first two weeks!!!
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2006, 08:00:17 AM »
With any line, routing the it smoothly , avoiding kinks and hard bends is
always good idea...
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2006, 10:05:41 AM »
yeah, there's really only one bend and even though its about 90 deg., its a fairly soft bend. I'll get it done sometime in the next coulple weeks and update with pics and all that good stuff

thanks for all the replies,
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 02:53:28 PM »
Just a thought, but you ought to check the material is temperature resistant- the oil gets pretty hot & you wouldn't want the hoses to lose their shape or whatever while riding at highway speeds.

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2006, 04:49:07 PM »
The stuff I found at the Mcmaster.com website says is good upto 450 deg F.  I hope oil in the engine is not exceeding that!

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2006, 07:36:03 PM »
I'm with pt55...just get some 1/2 id good oil or fuel line and go for it...regular hose clamps worked for me ...look maw, no leaks

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2006, 11:29:15 AM »
yeah, the sheathing would pretty much be for nothing but looks.

but thats exactly what I was planning on doing

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2006, 11:58:01 AM »
I'm with pt55...just get some 1/2 id good oil or fuel line and go for it...regular hose clamps worked for me ...
Wow, you actually agree with something I said ??
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
I'm with pt55...just get some 1/2 id good oil or fuel line and go for it...regular hose clamps worked for me ...
Wow, you actually agree with something I said ??
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2006, 07:01:09 PM »
55...yea but just don't tell nobody ??? 8) :o ;D :D

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2006, 12:52:35 AM »
 ::)I dont think that either of the hoses are under too much pressure One is the feed or suction line to the pump, the other is only a return line to the header tank, thre could be some resuidual pressure.
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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2006, 07:30:21 AM »
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Not sure what you are trying to get at with that post ? Are you doing a tongue-in-cheek bash against Carpy ?
Are you agreeing that the oil lines are not really a "big concern" ?

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Re: making new oil lines
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2006, 03:46:22 PM »
Sorry about the lack of clarity - at times I was being very sarcastic.
Sounds like it !
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