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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #100 on: October 08, 2011, 04:54:17 PM »
Shipping imaginary things is still pretty cheap, even internationally.

I love imaginary item shipping and imaginary running bikes that get pictures taken with rando people sitting on them at Daytona.

Imaginary world is sooo much fun!  ;D
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2011, 08:05:19 PM »
I apologize for throwing the Spondon mame out there.
 What I was getting at was , the frame will be good if done properly and it can be PROVEN, if not it may just be  a metal sculpture, or display piece..
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2011, 08:30:22 PM »
No need to apologize. This is more like playing history detective: the more info the OP has when he goes to look at the stuff, the better prepared he will be to evaluate the deal. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is a Seeley frame. Of the 302 made, only 90 or so have been accounted for. 
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2011, 10:17:01 PM »
+1 for wow.... really?
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2011, 09:02:53 AM »
 This is a classic example of why I rarely everleak any info about a pending deal... no matter how juicy it sounds..

 Now, not only does the OP have to agonize about when, what if, is it really. etc, etc.. he has all the crap we threw at him circulating through his head...

 not a fun place to be... hope he gets something good out of his dealings..
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« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2011, 09:26:17 AM »
Well said 754!  Cliff.

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2011, 10:07:41 AM »
i dont doubt king's holiness, ability to turn a profit,  or build a decent bike.  Its his willingness to throw it in peoples face as a feeble attempt at an insult that turns me off....

Isn't humility a virtue?............ ::)

Heres to hoping the OP has some sandcasts to bring home and show all of us eager HOBBYISTS lots of good pictures  ;D
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2011, 11:34:00 AM »
THis is a moot thread. If there were a handful of sandcast engines for that $ somewhere, in the time since the OP last wrote and now, ANY of us would have flown to antarctica and back by now, and reported back with pictures.
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #108 on: October 13, 2011, 08:00:49 AM »
...turn the other cheek? something something. Holier than thou what? lol w/e
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #109 on: October 14, 2011, 03:36:11 PM »
The last sandcast motor I sold went for $1500 and it was locked up, had broken fins and missing parts.  I bought the bike for $75, in pieces in the back of a pickup truck.  I didn't even know it was a K0 at the time.  I ended up parting the bike out for just over $9,000. The guy who bought the engine and frame restored the bike to pristine condition.  This was about 7 years ago, when restored K0 models were selling for $30,000.  The market has softened a bit, along with just about everything except for vintage Vincents.

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2011, 12:59:12 PM »
I think most sandcast owners don't refer to them as K0's (I don't).  Some will actually say that there's no such thing as a K0 but it seems to be generally accepted that it refers to everythng between the sandcasts and the K1's (early diecasts).
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2011, 01:03:43 PM »
Guess the old guy who owns them has "not come home from work" yet and our intrepid buyer has not made the score yet.  And also as Mark has mentioned the first early bikes were coded as just 'CB750'.

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2011, 02:27:21 PM »
I think most sandcast owners don't refer to them as K0's (I don't).  Some will actually say that there's no such thing as a K0 but it seems to be generally accepted that it refers to everything between the sandcasts and the K1's (early diecasts).
I'm with you basically. I was of the mind that the K0 designation just came to be as to say "K" was not specific enough and K1 was specific so there had to be a K0. This goes against counting protocol as no one begins a count with 0. This was a huge pet peeve of mine back at the turn of the century. It being generally accepted that 2000 was the beginning of the new millennium when in fact it is 2001, a year later. I confirmed this with master counters at the government, ocean and astronomical admin. Still try to argue it at a dinner party. But I digress....

having said all that, even if Honda never called them K0 when they were made, they adopted (or give lip service to) the designation at least as far back as 1998. My official Honda Motorcycle Identification Guide copyright 1998, calls the CB750 after CB750-1000001 the CB750 with CB750K0 in parenthesis.
Including sandcasts.
As a former parts flunkie, I can see the problem. If a customer tells you they have a CB750, you'd have to ask what K series, and the answer is not going to be "pre-K1". Its going to be K0.
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2011, 04:44:27 PM »
I guess that means anyone trying to a correct restoration of a pre-K1 is K0'd? I feel like that sometimes. Cliff.

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2011, 07:36:33 PM »
Just to throw some more confusion into this, do you pronounce it K0 as in K-ZERO, or KO as in K-OH? (poll). Come to think about it, I use them both, w/o any particular logic. But I never call a sandcast anything other than a sandcast. Dave Edwards had the real nice restored 1970 bike in the Guggenheim Art of the Motorcycle Show back in 2000 in NY and the liscense plate read "K ZERO"
I think the designation K0 logically follows the year. K1's are 71's, K2's are 72's etc. So logically, the more correct term is K0 (zero). Except the K0's made in late 1969, which are known as EARLY K0's. And some people call sandcasts KO's, and some call them K0's. (K-Oh is easier to say, so it caught on for lazy-talking  people, maybe).
   Then there's ANOTHER group, (a termed coined in the UK I believe) of a short run of transition bikes just before release of the K1, and its also called K0 (zero). This series of just a hundred or so(?) had strange combinations of details like early shark-gill sidecovers, black-ribbed airboxes, linkage dual-cable carbs, carbs, red kill switches, plastic gauges, and ducktail seats. I saw pics in a CB750 Super Profile book years ago. Serial numbers were in the 44000 range if I recall.
 

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2011, 07:52:53 PM »
FINALLY, pics of the OP's sandcast bargain! Looks like someone really put some work into it.. Bet it leaves other bikes in the dust!

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2011, 07:59:08 PM »
I refer to the KO's as K-Ohhhhhs
But on afterthought, K-Zero sounds more Japanese  8)
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2011, 08:53:15 PM »
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« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2011, 08:54:51 PM »
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2011, 07:13:34 AM »
The CB750K1 is only a 1971 by coincidence. And depending on the dealer, K1s could be 72, K2s could be years besides 72 etc.  Honda did not use model years until 1974. Until then the frame number rules.

The k1 of other models like the 350, 175, 500  etc, are not 1971.
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2011, 07:34:30 AM »
Just to throw some more confusion into this, do you pronounce it K0 as in K-ZERO, or KO as in K-OH? (poll).
I go with K-zero.  And to add even more to the confusion we call them sandcasts but they aren't really sandcast.  ::) ;)
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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #123 on: October 16, 2011, 08:00:41 AM »
The CB750K1 is only a 1971 by coincidence. And depending on the dealer, K1s could be 72, K2s could be years besides 72 etc.  Honda did not use model years until 1974. Until then the frame number rules.

The k1 of other models like the 350, 175, 500  etc, are not 1971.
what is the rule of thumb on the year of the bike? the year it was titled or built, on my 550, the man date on the tag says 3-75 on the title it says it's a 76

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Re: How much is a "sandcast" engine worth?
« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2011, 08:16:53 AM »
I would go with the serial number compared to known model run. Back in the day bikes were titled in the year they were sold in most places and not maybe the actual year they were manufactured.