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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/7/12)
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2012, 09:17:36 AM »
Many people forget that when they do the compression test that the valves must be in adjustment AND the throttle must be wide open and the battery must be fully charged. And of coarse the slack must be taken out of the cam chain BEFORE adjusting the valves.  THEN YOU CAN
do A COMPRESSION CHECK.

ALSO.. Take the spark plugs out of the cylinders not being tested.

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/7/12)
« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2012, 09:16:01 AM »
That COMPRSSION TEST was done RIGHT AFTER a valve adjustment, the carbs were either OFF or HELD WIDE OPEN (I don't remember) and it was done with the kickstarter. And the plugs were OUT of their respective cylinders. Although the kickstart doesn't feel horrible, it's deffinitely a little bit easier than on my dad's K2 with great compression.

When I get all my ducks in a row, I will try to start it and see if a little running improves things.

And speaking of the cam chain, I forgot to mention in my last post that I cleaned and lubed the spring tensioner assembly.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #102 on: March 14, 2012, 07:00:30 PM »
Little bit of progress to report. I ordered a battery, wheel bearings, steering head bearings, and master cylinder kit. The bearings and battery showed up today.

Today I painted the caliper halves. Once I get the master kit the brakes should be good to go. The only hangup may be that I need a new piston. There's more pitting than I'm comfortable with. Any suggestions on where to get a replacement?



Spent part of the evening cleaning up various parts. Got the battery box all disassembled and ready for paint. Cleaned the contacts for the starter solenoid. Nothing too exciting or picture worthy. I did polish the horn....

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2012, 03:54:13 PM »
Did a little work on the bike on friday. Got the master cylinder reassembled and worked on cleaning up the frame/motor. I worked at it for about 2 hours but barely made a dent. I don't think the sprocket area was ever cleaned.



I didn't take a before picture but this was after about an hour. Still plenty more to do....

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2012, 04:42:06 PM »
Dang are those 2 marks from the chain???
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #105 on: March 19, 2012, 04:03:57 PM »
must have been. There's also some gouges on the swingarm. At least the chain didn't break and bust through the case.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2012, 07:50:20 PM »
I did really well with some of my plain metal stuff, dipping in muriatic acid slution, then 45 minutes in a mode made zinc plating machine. sprocket, break stay, brake rod, and lots of other stuff look like new.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/14/12)
« Reply #107 on: March 23, 2012, 10:53:34 AM »
I would consider home plating if this was a more serious restoration. As it stands I'm just trying to make it look good and be reliable (on a budget). Maybe some day...
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #108 on: March 23, 2012, 07:17:08 PM »
Got in a few hours tonight. Most of the time was spent on the rear fender/taillight. Completely disassembled everything and cleaned it up. Removed as much surface rust from the bottom of the fender as I could. All the chrome was in really nice shape with very few scratches. Didn't take any specific before pictures but you get the idea from pics in the first post in this thread.



After I was done with that my wife was in the basement and asked if there was anything she could do to help. I first told her "no" because everything involved getting dirty but then I remembered I needed to get the shocks taken apart and this can be done with two people. So with me yanking down on the chrome shield my wife pulled out the stoppers. I cleaned as best I could. The springs got the wire wheel treatment. Too bad I couldn't get at the rust on the inside of the spring but it's much better than before. A little polish and they look nearly new.

The one on the left is before cleaning and the one on the right is ready to go back together.


Ready to go back on the bike
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2012, 05:41:31 AM »
What a big difference. A little elbow grease, a little help from the wife, and good things will happen.  :D  Next thing you know she will want her own...
I hope this warm weather holds out for the Crud Run.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2012, 06:02:26 AM »
Got in a few hours tonight. Most of the time was spent on the rear fender/taillight. Completely disassembled everything and cleaned it up. Removed as much surface rust from the bottom of the fender as I could. All the chrome was in really nice shape with very few scratches. Didn't take any specific before pictures but you get the idea from pics in the first post in this thread.



After I was done with that my wife was in the basement and asked if there was anything she could do to help. I first told her "no" because everything involved getting dirty but then I remembered I needed to get the shocks taken apart and this can be done with two people. So with me yanking down on the chrome shield my wife pulled out the stoppers. I cleaned as best I could. The springs got the wire wheel treatment. Too bad I couldn't get at the rust on the inside of the spring but it's much better than before. A little polish and they look nearly new.

The one on the left is before cleaning and the one on the right is ready to go back together.


Ready to go back on the bike


Try using a green scotch brite wrapped around the spring real tight and lots of will power.  I just cleaned up a set of CB360 shocks that way without disassembling them.  They turned out real nice and the rust on the inside of the springs is gone.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2012, 06:42:12 AM »
If your bike has that original #630 heavy chain you better get rid of it because those were the ones that broke, and broke the engine cases.
The chains now are much stronger that they were 33 years ago.
Get the #530 chain instead.

You can get the #530 sprockets easily. and a #530 regular chain. You do not need a "O" ring chain.

The o ring chain is a pain in the @!#$!@ and you need more special tools to stake the rivets in the chain.

With a regular chain it is easy to install.

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #112 on: March 24, 2012, 01:21:05 PM »
lucky 630 was only on 77-78. believe it was put there by honda because of the breaking chain issue
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #113 on: March 28, 2012, 04:58:00 AM »
If your bike has that original #630 heavy chain you better get rid of it because those were the ones that broke, and broke the engine cases.
The chains now are much stronger that they were 33 years ago.
Get the #530 chain instead.

You can get the #530 sprockets easily. and a #530 regular chain. You do not need a "O" ring chain.

The o ring chain is a pain in the @!#$!@ and you need more special tools to stake the rivets in the chain.

With a regular chain it is easy to install.

This information is incorrect. The breaking chain issue was with the earlier bikes (69/70) which did not have a 630 chain.

Secondly. while you dont need an o-ring chain they are in my opinion better due to lower maintenance requirements, stronger and just as easy to put on as a regular chain (if you get the master-link chain; even with the rivet chain the rivet tool is very easy to use). For $80 you can get a good RK or EK o/x-ring chain. Minimal adjustment required and smooth gear shifting, quieter operation. 

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 3/23/12)
« Reply #114 on: March 28, 2012, 06:03:19 AM »
+1 Andy...I have the EK X-ring on my 750's. What you say is correct.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2012, 07:55:06 AM »
Been doing a little bit of bike work over the past couple weeks. I started working on the forks.



The "stuff" that came out was pitch black.



I carefully pried the old seals out with a screwdriver and then removed the clearcoat with aircraft remover so I could begin polishing. For some reason the polishing isn't going well at all. I know when I did the 350 lowers they took about an hour a piece using just the red rouge. With these lowers I've worked on them for about three hours and the end is not in sight :( There's this "speckling" on the fork leg and the buffer just doesn't want to get it out. I know I had similar textures on the 350 lowers but the buffer got them out with a little work. I don't know what I want to do about it yet. Maybe try a coarser rouge or resort to wetsanding like others do. This makes me nervous for trying to polish the engine covers because they seem to have the same textured areas as the fork lowers.



And in other news I took my battery box to school to sandblast it. I painted it yesterday so when that's dry I'll reassemble it. I also cleaned up the caliper pivot arm and re-greased it so now the front brakes are done until I reassemble the bike.

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2012, 08:16:17 AM »
Alright another K6 just about ready to be on the road again. GREAT JOB HOO. Can't wait to see the finished project. Even though we are 900 or so miles apart maybe someday our two K6's can get together and go riding ;D
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #117 on: April 07, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
Alright another K6 just about ready to be on the road again. GREAT JOB HOO. Can't wait to see the finished project. Even though we are 900 or so miles apart maybe someday our two K6's can get together and go riding ;D

I wouldn't say the bike is just about ready for the road. Although I was thinking to myself yesterday that the list of things yet to do is deffinitely getting small enough that I have the end in sight. Maybe another month and a half. That's all depending on if the motor is good. There was deffinitely some good dirt/dust in the top of the airbox, enough that I wouldn't be surprised if the piston rings are worn. John (johnie) stopped by today to drop off my hondaman fuse block and I was saying how its kind of a shame how I basically have to do EVERYTHING before I can try to start the bike. Oh well, she sure will be a clean bike when I'm done! I'd love to see your K6 (and K0)  sometime too. Where's a good place to meet that's halfway between wisconsin and north carolina? ;D
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #118 on: April 07, 2012, 02:29:38 PM »
Alright another K6 just about ready to be on the road again. GREAT JOB HOO. Can't wait to see the finished project. Even though we are 900 or so miles apart maybe someday our two K6's can get together and go riding ;D

I wouldn't say the bike is just about ready for the road. Although I was thinking to myself yesterday that the list of things yet to do is deffinitely getting small enough that I have the end in sight. Maybe another month and a half. That's all depending on if the motor is good. There was deffinitely some good dirt/dust in the top of the airbox, enough that I wouldn't be surprised if the piston rings are worn. John (johnie) stopped by today to drop off my hondaman fuse block and I was saying how its kind of a shame how I basically have to do EVERYTHING before I can try to start the bike. Oh well, she sure will be a clean bike when I'm done! I'd love to see your K6 (and K0)  sometime too. Where's a good place to meet that's halfway between wisconsin and north carolina? ;D

Put a little more faith in your motor!  The K5 motor in my K6 sat for almost 20 years, some, or most of that outside, and after a little time running, it's no longer smoking, the oil pressure has risen 10%, and it sounds great.  You just have to run it back into shape...the oil seals hopefully come back to life, and the crud build up works itself out.  Put a few miles (I really only mean a few, like 25 or less), change the oil n filter, drop the pan, check the screen and hopefully put many many happy miles on that bike!

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #119 on: April 07, 2012, 04:47:33 PM »
Hoo, I'm with Greggo. I have a feeling you engine is just fine. MyK6 had 17K on the clock when I bought it and the KO 20K. I even rode the K6 home on the interstate after I got it.  All I've done to either bike as far as engine maintenance is:
Oil Changes
New plugs
K&N A/filter for both
Adj. cam chains
clean up points
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/7/12)
« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2012, 06:41:21 PM »
Hoodelly, try wet sanding with 400.  Picked up a buffing wheel for $35 today during an easter sale at harbor freight...  Fork was already off because I had a bad seal and I was surprised how well they came out.  Clear coat had already been removed with paint stripper, then hit them with the sandpaper to get rid of the weird spotting you're talking about, then a few minutes on the wheel with some brown (tripoli) compound and they look like mirrors.  I was wondering if they'll hold up as is or if I need to apply some kind of sealer.

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/17/12)
« Reply #121 on: April 17, 2012, 03:06:47 PM »
I tired to do this update on sunday night but was having major technical difficulties with my photobucket account.

Over the weekend I attacked the bike with more cleaning products and some fancy new brushes. I deffinitely got more crud off of the bike but it could probably use one more round in the chain area. After that, whatever is left is staying because I want to start putting this thing back together!

You can see the gouges in the swingarm from the chain. Must have been pretty loose at one point.



Like I said, there still crud left. It's like the PO was lubing the chain with road tar. I was using Gunk engine cleaner and carb cleaner. I'm sick of scrubbing at this stuff.







Here's the battery box all put back together (with new Hondaman fuseblock). As a side note, on the recommendation of someone here I painted this using rustoleum appliance paint and am very happy with it. I HATE painting but this stuff was easy to work with and is supposed to dry super hard. It recommends not using primer, so I didn't and it seems to be holding up just fine. I think it cost $5 at walmart.





The last thing I worked on was cleaning up the grab bar and rear turnsignals. Here it is all apart after washing the dust and dirt off.



Tadaa! Nearly as good as new.

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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/17/12)
« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »
May seem obvious, my K1 only has one fuse.. Did your come swith more fuses? Or is it an upgrade to go with HM's fusebox.. BTW I got my second one in the mail last week!
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/17/12)
« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2012, 03:27:35 AM »
May seem obvious, my K1 only has one fuse.. Did your come swith more fuses? Or is it an upgrade to go with HM's fusebox.. BTW I got my second one in the mail last week!

The later 750's (K3 and on, I think) had 3 fuses. The second one from the top is just a spare. I suppose it's an upgrade to go to HM's fuseblock just because it's way easier to find the blade fuses and it's a brand new part.
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Re: Resurrection of a cb750 K6 (update 4/22/12)
« Reply #124 on: April 22, 2012, 05:51:50 PM »
I spent as much time as possible yesterday working on the bike.

First thing I did was clean the chain and front sprocket. The sprockets look fine and I think the chain will last me a little while longer.

I wheeled the bike out into the driveway to do more cleaning. As I was down on my knees cleaning the underside my heart sank when I found this crack on the shifter cover:



After doing some research I don't think this is the fatal issue that I originally thought. Looking at pictures of the gasket and the backside of the cover I don't think there is any oil behind the crack. There also doesn't appear to be any oil leaking from there. The grunge on the bottom of the motor is pretty even and not any heavier on that side. I think it will be okay... :-\

After that little discovery I decided I didn't feel like cleaning anymore so I put in my new tach seal. The old one pulled out just fine with a wood screw and the new one pressed in with a 9mm socket. Before all that I had to cut a groove in the cable screw so I could use a flathead bit in my impact driver. The screw was just too mangled for a phillips bit.





Next up I decided to go big and finally try installing my tapered steering bearings. If you're going to do this job I suggest looking at Hondaman's book and also this thread. both were very helpful.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1516.125

 I did the top race first. After greasing it and getting it started with light hammer taps I got it seated using a hammer and block of wood.



Next I did the bottom race. Again it was greased and started with light hammer taps. Then I put the old race underneath it and used that to seat it. And then popped the old race out from the top. You need something like the old race or a bearing driver because the bottom race sits well recessed into the steering head.



Finally I had to put the bottom bearing onto the steering stem. I had put the stem in the freezer in the morning so it was good and cold (and hopefully shrunk). As per the thread above I used the thinner washer from the all balls kit, then the seal, and finally the bearing. I used the unused thick washer and a screwdriver to hammer down the bearing till it was seated. It was a bit of a harsh method but there wasn't any damage to the bearing so I should be okay. If I do it again I would use a piece of pipe to even out the pounding pressure on the bearing.



After greasing the bottom bearing I went to drop the top bearing on so I could take the whole assembly outside and put it on the bike. I just about had a heart attack  when the top bearing wouldn't go on the stem! After freaking out for a bit I went on the computer to make sure I had bought the correct kit. I took it all outside anyways and for whatever reason, after the stem had heated back up, the top bearing dropped right on like it should. (figure that one out!) With everything greased up (and leaving out the top seal as per the thread so that the tree spacing was correct), I tightened the bearings according to Hondaman's book.

With my available time running short I wanted to have a bit of fun. While working on a project like this it's important to remind yourself that this was, at one time, an actual motorcycle. And, God willing, it will hopefully soon be a motorcycle again. Looks good don't it?





There was still a little bit of time left so I put the front forks and fork ears on. I wire brushed the rust off the top of the tubes. I still have to finish polishing the bottoms, and I just put my set of fork seals on the K2 today so the rest of the front suspension will have to wait.





I must say that even though I still have work to do on the motor (polishing), it felt really good to finally be putting parts back ON the frame. Slowly but surely it coming together!!!
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