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I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« on: October 10, 2011, 05:56:24 AM »
 I wish I could say I had a GREAT time this weekend at Barbers, but I didn't because my piece of shyt bike gave me trouble getting there and on the way home. Guys I had to get off of 20 after I dropped a cylinder or two and took 78 for about 20 miles before it totally screwed me! So there I was, damn bike would not start,  it had blown out the right baffle on 20 as a last insult before I got off, my cell phone battery was almost dead and I was quickly running the battery down trying to get the #$%* started, no I couldn't even kick it started.
       So once again I had to get the piece of crap towed home for $180 F#cking dollars, that on top of the almost $500 I'd spent the day before I left on: a new front tire and tube, a new rear tube, front brake pads and a o-ring chain. A you can see this was a very expensive weekend for me and I sure as hell dd not get my money's worth at all.
       Really, I am done with this bike, I truly believe it is cursed, unfortunately I have a lot of cash invested in it and I have to figure out how to get as much back as I can, not sure if I should just part it out or fix and then try to sell it. Anyways, the love affair with this bike is over. I'll never trust it again even if Hondaman himself fixed the damn thing for me, I'm done!
     The only highlight of the weekend was meeting you guys. My wife has been so supportive of my fiasco that it scares me a little. Yeah, yeah, I know you're saying keep the bike Vern, now way. I may have another CB in the far of future, but not this one, no way!

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 06:03:36 AM »
If it was a bit closer I would take it off your hands, I would hate to think what it would cost to import it to Aus  :-\
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 06:26:23 AM »
Not to try to kick you while you're down, but an old bike can only be as good and reliable as its mechanic makes it. 

Is this a veiled plea for help, or is it actually an ad to sell your bike?   

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 06:47:47 AM »
Bummer man.  If I still live in GA Id love to take it off your hands.  I really am sorry that your having all these issues. Ive been there.

For a while I figured my bike was cursed (had to change the title of my project thread) especially after the 3rd set of exhaust gaskets, but it turned out to be a very simple solution.  My bike had all sorts of crazy BS going on too, fuel leaks, wouldnt shift when warmed up, plugged tank vent, bad point plate, rough carbs, stripped exhaust bolt holes, melting ignition switch, most recently it was not recharging the battery. Just when one problem was fixed another would show up. I definitely wanted to sell it at times. But in the end, with the help from this forum and everyone who helped, I have a great running reliable bike with a predictable oil leak that will be fixed this winter.

Whats the bike doing and what have to done to it. Maybe you can figure it out.

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 06:52:00 AM »
Gordon, my bike has been maintained bike an vintage Honda specialist for the past year and he's kept it humming along, but it seems that it just loves screwing with me no matter how much money I've put into it. I'll probably have him look at it, just to see what's going on before I put it up for sale,  a running bike is easier to sell. And I will fully disclose anything that my be wrong with it, unlike the PO. Live, burn and learn I guess!

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 06:57:16 AM »
There was a point when I had all my 350Fs in pieces that I got frustrated and almost sold all of it to a salvage yard so I can sympathize.  When I was at Barber's over the weekend, I saw a few guys struggling with their bikes.  It actually made me feel better knowing it isn't just me that seems cursed...
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 07:33:51 AM »
 Great point and I did just get an offer from a fellow CB friend and mechanic to take a look at it, so I will take him up on his kind offer. So far, the leading opinion is the main problem may be the Dyna igniton and coils that are only a year old and cost me some change! I 'd hate to think that's money down the drain, but who knows.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 08:21:38 AM »
Gordon, my bike has been maintained bike an vintage Honda specialist for the past year and he's kept it humming along, but it seems that it just loves screwing with me no matter how much money I've put into it. I'll probably have him look at it, just to see what's going on before I put it up for sale, 

Maybe you ought to have someone else take a look at look at it....

+1.  Fresh set of eyes couldn't hurt...
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 09:21:19 AM »
Gordon, my bike has been maintained bike an vintage Honda specialist for the past year and he's kept it humming along, but it seems that it just loves screwing with me no matter how much money I've put into it. I'll probably have him look at it, just to see what's going on before I put it up for sale,  a running bike is easier to sell. And I will fully disclose anything that my be wrong with it, unlike the PO. Live, burn and learn I guess!

I guess that's one big issue with having somebody else work on and maintain your bike.  I'm not chastising.  Some people either can't, don't have the time, or just don't want to work on their own machines, and that's fine.  The problem arises when it's an older machine and you're relying on it to take you somewhere.  When something does inevitably happen on the road, if you're the mechanic there's a good chance you can get it going again on your own.  If you pay somebody else to be the mechanic, you're stuck. 

Regardless, I understand your frustration, but you may ruffle some feathers on a sohc4 forum full of diy-ers if you call your bike a "piece of shyt/piece of crap" simply because you don't know how to diagnose and fix it. 

As a die-hard sohc4 owner, I highly recommend keeping the bike, as mine have given me endless amounts good times in the form of both joy and frustration, but if don't or can't do your own work and you want a bike that will reliably get you places, then you may need to get a new motorcycle or bring a good mechanic along with you. 

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2011, 10:15:38 AM »
  Gordon, I certainly didn't mean to ruffle any feathers by insulting my bike, and yes it's my own fault for not listening to my dad years ago to come out there and work on his cars with him instead of staying in my room t drawing, now  I'm paying for it in a big way. You were right dad!  My limited time to wrench and part fear of screwing it up has made me dependent on the kindness and knowledge of strangers to keep my bike running. I know I need to get my hands dirty and jump in there and see what happens.   I can at least change the oil.
  There is something about these old bikes that appeal to me and when she running, I'm in love with it. And new bike is out of the question for a long time because both of my children will be going off to college next year! I 'll have to take advantage of some local forum members offers to learn from them about these bikes, I'll hang on to her a while longer, it may be something that's not a big as my emotions have made it. Damn these bikes are worse than women in some ways, aren't they?

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2011, 10:22:51 AM »
BB, if you're suspecting the Dyna, throw a stock points plate in it (or have your mech do it)  and see. Seems there has been some probs with the Dynas.
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it? ( Here's what went wrong)
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 10:34:06 AM »
   Now that I've slept on it I can tell you all how my CB Whine Fest came to be:
After about 60 miles down the road, I felt a small twitch and heard a pop from the tail pipe I think and shortly after that the bike shut down on me. We pulled over to the side of the road and I get it restarted. 5 miles down the road, same thing, this time my traveling partner pulls the left plug and checks it for a spark, it's fine.  We take off and about 5 miles further, it shuts off. We fill up at the station near by even though we've only gone about 70 miles so far.

      This time he pulled the petcock bowl off and it's clean inside, so off we go again for another 10 miles, but this time, it loses a cylinder (maybe two?) for a while then all of a sudden it's back on all four for a about a minute, so we pull over again and this time he pulled the carb bowls to see how they were filling up, they were okay so we're back on the road for another 10 or so miles before the next power drop.

     We took a break and let it sit for 20 minutes and when I took off, all 4 cylinders were firing, but only for a about 10 minutes.  This time he told me to get it up to a cruising speed and then turn off the petcock and to pull over when I felt the bike was about to shut down, which didn't take long.He checked the bowls again and fuel was flowing into them. We still had a good 60 miles to go, so I  rode the rest of the way on three cylinders, I think. We were on the back roads most of the trip except for the last 30 miles where we had no choice but to get on I-20, of course it shut down once there too.

  The bike sat for about 2 hours before we had to ride to dinner, I was dreading it but had no choice but to chance it.  The ride to dinner was about 7 miles away and it ran on on all 4 there and back. On the way back to camp we stopped for gas  and  I noticed it was hard to start with the starter button, so I kicked it. The next morning the only way I could start it was to kick it, I did that most of Saturday.  Just like Friday night, it ran like its old self, so I was hoping what ever in the hell  was going on with it on the way over was done. Sunday morning I touched the button and it fired right up, great, I told myself, I may make home after all. A few of the guys thought it may be the Dyna that was causing the problem from it getting to hot, but I wondered about that since I've ridden for  hours it in the hottest weather this summer and it ran great.

       Sunday afternoon we head out on I-20 to try to beat the rain, we're moving along at 80, my bike felt fine until, it dropped in power after going about 50 miles at that speed. Shortly after it started running crappy again, I heard a louder pop this time and my right pipe becomes loud. I got off of 20 at the next ramp and the bike shut down as I'm coming up to the top of the ramp, luckily there's plenty of room to get myself out of traffic.  I try to restart with the button, nothing. I get off the bike walk to the back and I see that the right baffle of the pipes has been blown loose and is hanging on by a sliver of metal. It has a 4-2 exhaust
       I decided not to get back on I-20 and to take 78  back. I went 20 more miles before it totally shut  It shut down. l I pulled over, checked the gas and it had about 1/4 tank, but would not start no matter how many times I kicked it. I got it to fire up once or twice with the button, but it would not stay running. I got off and check the pipes again and this time and both inner pipes were cold!  My cell phone battery was almost dead and I was quickly running the battery down trying to get it started. My only option was to have it towed home, 75 miles away from home which cost me $180.
      I had the battery on the tender all night and I added more gas and got it started this morning.  Do Dynas go bad after such a short time?.  I've noticed my mpg has dropped also.

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 10:45:25 AM »
Keep in mind that nobody here was born knowing how to work on bikes.  The best way to learn how is to just start doing it.  If you have a good manual and this forum, how can you go wrong?  Old dogs can still learn new tricks! ;)

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 10:51:50 AM »
Don't know about the Dyna specifically, but I'll comment on electronic components in general, vs mechanical components.

Mechanical components can wear linearly, meaning slowly and over time. The wear is usually detected in time to change it out before a failure like a chain, or piston rings, etc. Problems are usually reproducible and diagnosable.

Electronics are usually either on or off. And then, intermittent which is the worst. And there is not necessarily any warning, nor is there necessarily any consistency to the symptom. So it can act good, or bad, under the same circumstances that it worked good, or bad, before. In other words, acting up when it got hot, but not acting up later when it was hot, does not preclude it from being the problem.

This from an admittedly non-expert about electronic problems. Just an avid observer.

I'd get some stock coils and pointplate, and start from a stock baseline. Somebody on the forum probably has a set for cheap. I did but recently sold them. Somebody may even front them to you just to try it out. I would if i could.
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 11:21:20 AM »
The cold 2 & 3 pipes are the clue here, coupled with the drop in mpg.

I'll bet 2 & 3 are on the same ignition circuit (one circuit fires #1 & #4, one circuit fires #2 & #3) and you've got an intermittent  problem in that circuit.  Loose wire, something like that...

Loose baffle is a separate, coincidental issue.

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2011, 11:41:36 AM »
I know you said you checked the carbs, but it kind of sounds like fuel starvation? A bunch of short hops before it dies and then wait a bit and it goes again.

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 11:48:18 AM »
Has the gas tank vent been checked?

If the tank was run low, was there an effort to get the gas from the non-fuel valve side sloshed over the internal tank hump?

Was reserve setting ever used?

Kinda sounds like a failing Dyna.  But then, I don't like that design anyway.  And, I've never owned one because of that. :-\

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 01:01:47 PM »
Two-tired, yes I leaned her way over to make sure the gas got in there and she still didn't crank. Setting was on regular, with a full tank and reserve, same poop out after a while.

Amen Gordon, I'm not that brain dead that I can't learn how to maintain my bike, stay tuned!

Cycleranger, I forgot to mention that the regulator and rectifier are also only a year old purchased from Oregon motorcycle parts.

 Kirkn, the wiring harness is also one year old, so a loose connection would make sense why 2&3 might drop out and in.

 I just cranked her with the button and it fired right up, if I took it out and ran it for about 45 minutes it probably would act up again, it's raining today and for the next few days, but I will try that. I'll have to figure out how to check the ignition circuit in the meantime. thanks guys, it's starting to make me feel a litle more hopeful.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2011, 01:11:59 PM »
 i need all the help I can get Cycleranger, keep 'em coming!

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2011, 01:25:07 PM »
Don't worry Vern we'll get it all straightened out.  I've read several posts from people with failing Dynas and they all have the same symptoms, loss of 2 and 3 when they get hot.  I know I have a points came in my parts somewhere and I'm sure I can put together a points plate.  I know it's old technology, but it's tried and true and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Also I have the first annual SOHC4 Wrench Fest cooking up in my brain.  Possibly a few Saturdays down the road, we can do your ignition, and Bill's and my front end work too, plus what ever else might need done or questions answered.  I'll invite all the local SOHC4 guys to stop in too, might turn into a possible cook out, and party. 

Hang in there Vern!  IT WILL GET BETTER!!
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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2011, 01:28:47 PM »
 thanks Travis, I will hang in there, thanks to you guys.  Let me know what I can do to help with your workshop. For starters, I can design an invitation for the event since I have years of experience as a graphic designer, stay tuned>

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2011, 01:29:51 PM »
Great point and I did just get an offer from a fellow CB friend and mechanic to take a look at it, so I will take him up on his kind offer. So far, the leading opinion is the main problem may be the Dyna igniton and coils that are only a year old and cost me some change! I 'd hate to think that's money down the drain, but who knows.

 I'm a big fan of simple being the best. Points work. An extra set are cheap and easy to carry with you.
 
 Years ago I wanted to go with an electronic ignition. I said something to a friend of mine who was a mechanic as I had never installed one before. He said to me, why, are your points not working?
 
 I know all about the benefits. To me they don't trump having to have your bike towed home.

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 03:14:18 PM »
BB, just saw your post. It's bad and frustrating when your bike quits on you and leaves you stranded. Its just makes for a terrible day all the way around. Ive had several cars over the years leave me on the side of the road and its no fun, but never any of my bikes and so far neither one of my 750's have let me down. I know you've got a bad taste in your mouth right now but don't sell your CB750 I think you will hate yourself later if you do. You know and  I know and everyone else on  this forum knows that these 750's are good bikes and very reliable, but most are 35 to 40 years old and things can happen and parts do wear out. I'm no mechanic and don't claim to be but I can read and follow direction from all the great info on this forum and so far I've been able to do all the work that's been needed on both my 750's myself and BB if I can do it I know you can to. ;) To me that's half the fun and enjoyment of having these old bikes being able to turn the wrenches on them. Its almost like the bike and you become one, and not to mention the ton of money you will keep in your wallet and the good feeling it gives you inside being able to work on your classic bike. Don't give up on your bike or yourself BB with the help from everyone here you'll get her going again. Im bet the problem is nothing major, these SOHC/4's are tough as nails. Oh by the way I run points on both my bikes and so far no trouble. If it works why change it?

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 03:28:56 PM »
dhall57, thanks for the encouraging words, yes I know I'd regret getting rid of her the minute  I handed over the keys, so with the help of some of my local CB riders, we'll have that problem solved. If it turns out it was that dyna, I wonder if I can make any money off of it? It's only been on the bike for a year.

pnopp, I am so tired of having it towed, a few times too many,sheesh!

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Re: I hate my bike, who wants to buy it?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 03:31:56 PM »

Hey that might be a good idea to put in the stock points plate and coils to see if the bike runs after. I'm not an expert by any means but I found an issue on one of my bikes was a bad spot in the wire harness long story short the insulation on the wires that led to the coils was worn and several places causing some of the wires to touch. Upon investigation I found several spots in the whole wire harness where bare wires were present touching other wires etc.

Good luck with your bike repair, I hear your frustration nothing worse than spending five bills on your ride to only have it break down on you.
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