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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2011, 05:18:59 PM »
I beat zzpete for the record - I shot the ATF 17' when my K7 freed up!
Oh, what a feelin'!!

Now ya gonna clean the kitchen?!
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2011, 05:22:04 PM »
I beat zzpete for the record - I shot the ATF 17' when my K7 freed up!
Oh, what a feelin'!!

Now ya gonna clean the kitchen?!

17' you got me on that one!   I am in between girlfriends just now and that kitchen will be solved at that same time!

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2011, 08:24:48 PM »
Great, now we really do need photos! ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2011, 08:44:31 PM »
Well, that's gal-durn good news that yall got 'er unstuck!! ;D
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2011, 09:22:48 PM »
If time allows and no rain my plan starting tomorrow is

- check for any friction in the rotation of the pistons -- today I half expected a big friction point during part of the crank rotation that would indicate a big ridge of rust in the bores, then again at this point, due to the salty and foggy air up near the ocean where the prior owner lived, I guess his 'it rotated last year' story could be true and there may not be much rust in the bore

Today I rotated it and did not feel any ridges or resistance then again I was pretty freaked about the thing moving at all and the whooping and hollering was happening however I did rotate it several times (sparks plugs out this whole time of course since day one) and did not feel any 'gotcha' in the rotation

- then pull the carbs for cleaning (slides are stuck closed right now)
- do the cold compression test while the carbs are off

I can hopefully report some encouraging cold compression test numbers tomorrow.  I owned a '72 cb750 with 60k miles a while back that had 155+ in each bore so if I get 120-130psi on the cold engine tomorrow -- I will be happy.

After I get the carb clean done and reinstalled THEN I will start cleaning the bike.
The timing of my cleaning is probably obvious, when you start with a stuck engine your biggest question mark is not 'how good is this thing gonna look after a spitshine' the big question was 'can it run'

The kitchen will be cleaned if this young lady sees her way clear to dump her other guy for my winning combination, a bike a dog and an intelligent genius ;)


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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2011, 11:09:36 PM »


The kitchen will be cleaned if this young lady sees her way clear to dump her other guy for my winning combination, a bike a dog and an intelligent genius ;)



And then we will have to see pictures of the young lady.....maybe even on your bike....parked in the kitchen. ;D

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #106 on: November 06, 2011, 06:40:01 AM »
Or actually cleaning the stove!
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #107 on: November 06, 2011, 06:44:15 AM »
Or actually cleaning the stove!

Nice,

Why do you constantly avoid the pictures questions? You came up with an old ad from CL dated in 2010, but cant come up with your mint bike/>?? Come on DUDE
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #108 on: November 06, 2011, 08:41:17 AM »
Or actually cleaning the stove!

Nice,

Why do you constantly avoid the pictures questions? You came up with an old ad from CL dated in 2010, but cant come up with your mint bike/>?? Come on DUDE

I think its probly due to not be a pictures kinda guy you should see some of the girls I dated over the years and I guess visuals never did impress me, I like whats inside, as an example I can fall in love with a beat up-lookin 750 bobber if it runs real good but a concourse restore 750 not so much, I just dont think I am a visual kinda dude some folks aint  now on the complaining part my family alway frowned on it so I try not to complain about stuff

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2011, 09:47:15 AM »
don't expect encouraging compression numbers. If i were you, i'd pull the oil pan off, put a catch can there and start hitting the top cylinders with wd 40 or PB blaster and spinning it by hand or with a drill and socket A LOT, till the wd 40 starts dripping into the catch can with no rust residue. Otherwise, you're gonna be dragging rust flakes around for awhile and scratching the walls, which probably already have a bit of a surface on them where they were stuck.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2011, 11:07:50 AM »
don't expect encouraging compression numbers. If i were you, i'd pull the oil pan off, put a catch can there and start hitting the top cylinders with wd 40 or PB blaster and spinning it by hand or with a drill and socket A LOT, till the wd 40 starts dripping into the catch can with no rust residue. Otherwise, you're gonna be dragging rust flakes around for awhile and scratching the walls, which probably already have a bit of a surface on them where they were stuck.

Phil I'm not in front of the bike just now and have never pulled a cb750 oil pan, can I drop the pan off without removing anything, you have some good advice there I'd like to take you up on.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #111 on: November 06, 2011, 11:09:55 AM »
yeah, the pan is a cinch to take off, put your head under it, you'll see.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #112 on: November 06, 2011, 12:32:28 PM »
Seriously...... this Guy doesn't know about a oil pan?!?! WTH
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #113 on: November 06, 2011, 12:48:06 PM »
we all don't know things, sometimes it's about engines. Sometimes it's about where to use "an" instead of "a"... but we can learn.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #114 on: November 06, 2011, 01:42:52 PM »
we all don't know things, sometimes it's about engines. Sometimes it's about where to use "an" instead of "a"... but we can learn.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #115 on: November 06, 2011, 02:30:44 PM »
Oh OK, he says he's done this to a bike, and that! But when the question comes up about "A" (not plural Genius) piece of the bike you guys jump on me. You two can "Pose" for the pic when your in a circle together!
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #116 on: November 06, 2011, 03:35:40 PM »
It's most certainly AN oil pan. I was merely pointing out that no one knows everything.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #117 on: November 06, 2011, 03:38:25 PM »
I always love reading posts like that where you can feel the person's excitment. Congrats on freeing your engine. Hope you can avoid a rebuild. ;)
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #118 on: November 06, 2011, 04:12:05 PM »
Oh OK, he says he's done this to a bike, and that! But when the question comes up about "A" (not plural Genius) piece of the bike you guys jump on me. You two can "Pose" for the pic when your in a circle together!

Funny #$%*, "AN" is NOT PLURAL.... ;D ;D :o
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #119 on: November 06, 2011, 04:50:07 PM »
Doesn't like to take pics, but was fast and Flash to post CL pics of the Sandcast he bought.
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #120 on: November 06, 2011, 06:51:47 PM »
I always love reading posts like that where you can feel the person's excitment. Congrats on freeing your engine. Hope you can avoid a rebuild. ;)
Thanks, I am super excited to have gotten her to turn over, when your an old geezer like me (52, just turned 52 about 2 days ago) and you grew up wanting a cb750 but were too small having one is way cool.   I could barely fit on the cb400four I got in the mid-70s at age 16.   This '72 is going to be fun.  I did own another '72 but I sold it and man oh man regretted it like the day after.

I GOT THE (cold) COMPRESSION NUMBERS:
#1 is at 130psi
#2 is at 140 psi
#3 is at (bummer) 105psi
#4 is at 130 psi

Now heres my train of thinking on this -- there is leftover lube, the atf and the little bit of fresh motor oil, that I put in the cylinders yesterday and again today. 

Yesterday as I mentioned I used my normal-length 6" socket ratchet handle and rotated the crank using the alternator bold (736cc thanks again without your help on the alternator bolt mention on page 2 of this thread I would not be here thanks dude!)

Yesterday and again today I syringe'd an amount of fresh 10w40 into each bore and slowly rotated the motor and you know I did not find or feel or hear any 'ridge of rust.'   I'm thinking my prior owner did in fact just park it outside last year and this was not a 'major sticking' situation.

So I rotated the works then hopped up on the kickstarter and kicked it through slowly -- again NO weird noise from the cylinders nor resistance so I kicked her through many times, with paper towel wads in the spark plug holes to block any oil or atf bursts.   I only saw a tiny bit of liquid come out the spark plug holes.

I then removed the airbox and carbs for cleaning and inspected the intake rubber manifold boots -- just a little loose stuff nothing major. Since the carb slides are all stuck shut I needed them carbs off to run the compression test.  Then I stuffed paper towels in the intakes and blew 60psi air all around the intake manifold region -- coils, upper frame tubes, the works -- like I sais this bike is very dirty and I did not want any stuff fall from the upper frame tubes area into the intake manifolds by mischance during the compression test.

Then I wiped around the 4 spark plug holes with a wadded up paper towel on each one, jammed it down in there and twisted it to clean around the spark plug holes  so my compression tester would seat well.



Then on cylinder #1 the first kick on the kicker made the compression gauge jump to almost 70 and I said F YEAH!!!!!!!

I ended up with 130, 140, 105 and 130.   You know the thing is this bike has under 5k miles on the motor so not much carbon on the pistons maybe, and of course we would expect a low-mileage motor to be pretty tight but I do feel lucky here, real lucky.

Here's why I think this bike is so dirty.  You know how some people will spray a bike with a light oil when they know it will set for awhile?   Did you know they used to do that in the Army, really lube down some equipment for storage, I heard they did that to vehicles.

Because it's like someone put an *even* coat of dirt/dust on this bike, all over, a very consistent thickness.

I have not clean it yet but out of curiosity I rubbed off some of the layer of dirt -- incredible it looks like new under there.  But there is surface rust in some spots.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #121 on: November 06, 2011, 07:00:03 PM »
On an engine with those miles, i would be inclined to think the cylinder with 105 would be the stuck one, after a bit of cleaning and running it for a while i wouldn't be surprised if those numbers did improve.... ;)
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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #122 on: November 06, 2011, 07:08:26 PM »
On an engine with those miles, i would be inclined to think the cylinder with 105 would be the stuck one, after a bit of cleaning and running it for a while i wouldn't be surprised if those numbers did improve.... ;)
Thanks, I hope you're right.  It makes good sense to me -- the rings have been resting for quite a while, once everything warms up I hope it will behave like an under-5k motor.

Tomorrow I will feel it is now okay to go to the DMV and invest in the $$ to transfer the title to my name now that it looks like a runner and not a part-out.  Also I will start to clean her and we are not supposed to see much if any rain here so maybe I can satisfy you folks who want to see a picture.  A dirty bike is a bashful bike apparently.   I hope to have the cleaning done tomorrow but we'll see. I plan to fire the bike up tomorrow or Tuesday.

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #123 on: November 06, 2011, 07:10:24 PM »
Congrats.  I have resurrected several stuck motors without any disassembly-it is a great feeling isn't it?  Cosmoline is the product that may have been put all over your bike- a thick rust preventive that was sprayed on...Larry

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Re: Beautiful 1972 cb750 with dagnabbit stuck engine
« Reply #124 on: November 06, 2011, 07:12:56 PM »
Keep in touch with the board when you get going on those carbs,you mentioned they may be gummed and locked up.Some tricks here for doing those without breaking a float bowl post etc. Good carb dunk and the heat gun will be your friend on that project also. ;)   Also I know of a major Kaw triple dealer who sprays WD40 over metal/chrome etc for long term storage.
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