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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2012, 02:05:20 PM »
Well done Tom. I got what looks like a good deal today as well, only cost me £7.36. from Amazon.  ;D ;D

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« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2012, 02:05:05 PM »
My new forks arrived from David Silver - brilliant and perfect, so they will get tucked away for a few weeks.
Meanwhile I went to Stafford and collected a load of casings and other stuff which is off to Salford for cleaning and polishing etc tomorrow. A couple of pics attached for eventual comparison I hope.
Downside of today? Had to have the almost 13 years old labrador put down, but like many bikes I have owned she was uttely knackered, a shame they don't do rebuild kits for dogs as nice as she was. Ah well, just the four dogs remaining...!
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2012, 02:15:36 PM »
G'Day Tom, sorry to hear about your old pooch, my old kelpie turns 17 in April, if she makes it. She's half blind, half deaf and her hips have given up the ghost so she falls over a lot now, but she still loves to eat and drink and fart (we've got a lot in common) so I figure that it's not quite time for her last trip to the vet, just yet. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2012, 05:29:47 PM »
as terry says, tom ,much commiserations , i lost my my dog when he was 12 ,its never easy, but that feeling of loss lets you know they had a friend in you, and their life was also better for it .

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« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2012, 05:39:53 PM »
Sorry to hear about your dog mate, my big fella died recently and i still have a hole in my heart where he used to live.... :'(
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« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2012, 12:47:00 AM »

Yeah - we lost a 15 year old pet recently too, it belonged to my wife who still has a hole in her heart and an occasional cry.

Glad to hear you still have plenty more pets to keep you company.

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« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2012, 05:23:34 AM »
Many thanks everyone - The only sure things in life are death and taxes after all. Loads of metal to Salford this morning so should have some good pics in two weeks or less. Meanwhile see pic for what arrived a few weeks ago, ths pic is of him at 13 weeks old, he is now 4 months and one day. Gonna be a biggie!
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2012, 03:33:12 PM »
Well it isn't spiralling out of control, but the bank balance is just going to have to weather the storm. Still waiting for the cases etc to be polished, but I have just ordered spares to a cost significantly higher than what I paid for the bike in the first place! And that's only the first batch! But what the heck, too many projects stagnate through lack of investment, you're a long time dead, and I want this thing sorted to take to Shetland at the end of May. So expect photos of shiny stuff in a short while!
I have also been in touch with Tony Foale himself who has had a look at the pics of the frame and reckons it is one of his early ones, and is possibly the fourth or fifth one he made for CB Hondas. He is also (as correctly surmised by some of you) not in favour of oil in frame as there are dangers in it surging under heavy braking and starving the engine, and also tending to splurge out of the oil filler cap in the same circumstances. Despite this, I think I will try to use the o.i.f. setup with the addition of a baffle or two and a good seal at the filler - bear in mind it is not for racing and I do ride like a bit of a tart most of the time, and I don't want a separate oil tank if possible. We will see anyway, once again I will keep you posted.
On a different note, anybody else actually got a CB Foale frame? Feeling lonely here....!
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2012, 03:41:41 PM »
Have a look at the oil tank on this bike, it is at the front of the triangle section, behind tha carbs, something like this would be far better.. ;)  It could be easily made to clear the shock top and mount....

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« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2012, 03:55:10 PM »
Many thanks - all food for thought, and a very neat installation too. Just off to the garage to look in a slightly intoxicated and ambitious way! (It is 5 to midnight here by the way)
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2012, 04:00:37 PM »
That looks like a filler neck behind the headtube. Is that for oil or gas? Digging the single shock swingarm too.
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2012, 04:02:14 PM »
Rupert (and RR) sorry to hear about your loss.  Dogs have a special bond with their masters.

Rupert, re the OIF... What about using a small, somewhat hidden, intermediate tank to prevent oil starvation under heavy braking?  As I remember, Fritz Egli did something similar.  RR
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2012, 05:49:15 AM »
That looks like a filler neck behind the headtube. Is that for oil or gas? Digging the single shock swingarm too.

Nevermind, just read the post 2 above my question.
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« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2012, 10:10:18 AM »
I have to say I am very grateful to everyone for the throwing in of ideas to help - and if two people have the same idea then it is probably a good one. I will wait till I have all the engine bits together and when that goes for assembly I will take the frame at the same time for some serious thinking and adding/cutting/adapting to see what looks OK and fits. I have been in touch with Tony Foale who is incredibly helpful - while he is not a fan of the oil in frame (with hindsight) he recalls that a number of customers were perfectly happy with it and it worked fine for them. Now given that I am not going racing and ride like a tart I would probably be OK with the existing setup, but a bit of insurance isn't going to hurt at all. Incidentally he reckons the frame is about the fourth or fifth CB750 frame he made, apparently a very early one. The frame numbers were more or less numbered at random, or even at the buyer's request, so for example if your birthday was January the first you could have frame number 0101, that's how difficult it is to date. Mine being number TFH048 does not mean it was the 48th one built, as I first thought. So much for my detective skills then....
Loads of pics next weekend all being well folks!
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2012, 02:25:59 PM »
That sounds good Tom, and I wouldn't worry about the potential "oil in frame" issues, unless you're riding it at 10/10th's, I don't think you'll have any problems at all. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2012, 06:41:50 AM »
So, today I went to Salford to collect all the polished and cleaned bits, and that was done successfully. Unfortunately I left the bits that still need chroming as they were going to be taken away and done elsewhere, so another return trip to Salford is needed. Annoying but not the end of the world. Cleaning has shown up the results of some long term corrosion, and exposed a couple of bits that will need tidying up, but for an engine that stood outdoors for the best part of 20 years it has come up well. As promised, a picture attached of some of the parts. Next stage is Stafford on Wednesday to deliver to Nigel the engine builder.
(The Jack Russell in the picture hadn't been cleaned, she didn't need it. She was just admiring the result)
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #91 on: January 21, 2012, 09:11:18 AM »
mmmmm,shiny bits.
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« Reply #92 on: January 21, 2012, 02:48:17 PM »
Looking good Tom, did you have them hydro blasted? They look too shiny for bead blasting? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #93 on: January 21, 2012, 02:58:16 PM »
They were vapour or aqua blasted which apparently uses neither water nor vapour, and the bits like the rocker cover have been finished in 'sizal' effect rather than mirror polished because I prefer the look of it. After all, it isn't a Harley.
I keep doing brief mental calculations of the cost of the next few months, then stop calculating because it hurts. Alloy flanged rims, stainless spokes, new tyres and bearings, then there's the monoshock, the tank, seat, tail unit, exhausts and stuff. Carbs are paid for now, as is the Boyer ignition, but what the hell. You're a long time dead I suppose. And as they don't put pockets in shrouds, then there's nowhere to stuff the unpaid invoices....!
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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #94 on: January 21, 2012, 03:24:12 PM »
Ha ha, no worries Tom, I feel your pain, I'm planning my RC Cobra build at the moment, I've got a freshly powdercoated CB750K6 frame, a pair of Borrani rimmed wheels and all the large parts that I need for the engine, but I have no illusions that it's still thousands of dollars away from completion.

I'm thinking of renting a bear suit and dancing for money at my local shopping mall, or perhaps faking my own death for the insurance money? Either option is less than ideal, but when it comes to building quality project bikes, you have to be prepared to make sacrifices, regardless of how extreme they may seem to those folk who haven't been bitten by the restoration bug! Cheers, Terry. ;D 
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #95 on: January 22, 2012, 01:57:05 AM »
Ha ha, no worries Tom, I feel your pain, I'm planning my RC Cobra build at the moment, I've got a freshly powdercoated CB750K6 frame, a pair of Borrani rimmed wheels and all the large parts that I need for the engine, but I have no illusions that it's still thousands of dollars away from completion.

I'm thinking of renting a bear suit and dancing for money at my local shopping mall, or perhaps faking my own death for the insurance money? Either option is less than ideal, but when it comes to building quality project bikes, you have to be prepared to make sacrifices, regardless of how extreme they may seem to those folk who haven't been bitten by the restoration bug! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2012, 12:27:30 PM »
Two days ago my daughter completed her driving theory test successfully, but that's not the important bit - while she was doing the test I went to see Charlie Williams, long time friend and ex-racer of lots of stuff over the years, who pointed me in the direction of a wheel builder who is cheaper than the one 100 miles away I was going to use, and about 15 miles away, thus saving money all round.
So yesterday I took all the engine parts to Stafford for a rebuild which should be finished in about 2 weeks (or so) all being well, and then took the hubs to the wheel man who is quoting 3 to 4 weeks. I have also tracked down a really helpful tank maker http://www.holtworks.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d1_fueltanks.html but he is in Esex which is about 250 miles from me. However I can see a one-off trip to Essex coming up to get the tank fitted to the frame before it gets finished. All rather exciting and expensive, but you always regret your economies, never your extravagances.
And then today the postman brought the latest goodies - pics attached all being well. The predecessors are shown in one pic - they were going to cost as much to restore as the new ones were to buy. They aren't damaged, just very dirty. Anyone want to suggest a value before they go on ebay - they come with four gasket and jet sets which were bought before I succumbed to the CRs' charms!
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« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2012, 10:32:27 AM »

Funny thing is - when I first saw this thread I wondered what this bike would look like 'in the flesh' and I did wish you were in Australia building it.

As of today, I am in the UK for two weeks, with a weekend planned in Manchester 3rd Feb to 5th Feb.

If there were an opportunity to call by and say hello, and to see the Foal frame  - please PM me and let me know.

Hey, and I could get a signed copy of your book to take home to Terry!

Cheers,

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« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2012, 11:55:38 PM »

Funny thing is - when I first saw this thread I wondered what this bike would look like 'in the flesh' and I did wish you were in Australia building it.

As of today, I am in the UK for two weeks, with a weekend planned in Manchester 3rd Feb to 5th Feb.

If there were an opportunity to call by and say hello, and to see the Foal frame  - please PM me and let me know.

Hey, and I could get a signed copy of your book to take home to Terry!

Cheers,

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Thanks Cliff, Tom very generously sent me an autographed copy of his excellent book that I'm close to finishing, so if you could just bring me home a case of Chivas' instead, that'll do me! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Foale frame CB750
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2012, 11:10:31 AM »

Well - I would have never thought when I first read this thread in Australia that I would end up doing this.



Yes Terry, I am cuddling and caressing the Foale frame.

I woke up North of Manchester this morning and gave RupertB a call to see if he was about. And I was treated to some fine UK hospitality by RupertB and Mrs. RupertB for a while this morning. A good look at the frame and a collection of other parts, a look at the other bikes in the garage (I do like the Laverda Jota) and a cup of tea with the folks and the four dogs.

I did try to smuggle out a souvenir whilst there, I got as far as getting it into the back of the hire car...



But I could not get it into my backpack (damn).

Thanks for a great morning Rupert, and thanks for the signed copy of the book too.