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Offline Vincent

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2011, 11:17:03 PM »

OK, here are a couple more.



Some of the extra bits.



In the shop.



Kiyo fitting the oil tank.



Gussets tacked in place.


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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2011, 11:44:55 PM »

The shape of things to come.



Starting to come together.



Takashi shows a customer around the shop.



A laser is used to ensure the front fairing mount is aligned with the frame.



That's it for tonight. More tomorrow.




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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2011, 09:58:59 AM »

Wow. I think I finally get it. Thank you guys for leading me through the picture-posting process. Here's a picture of my donor bike. It had a straight frame and good engine and transmission, but to ride it, I'd need a buckskin jacket and a helmet with antlers. Uh oh, I hope I haven't alienated anyone.

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2011, 10:44:00 PM »
Here are some more pics.

Takashi making instrument mounts.



Fairing mounts are chromoly tubing.



Dashboard, horns.



Catch tank under seat hump.



Rick B - Here's a picture of Yoshi's CR750 at the El Camino Swap Meet and Show. Next to it is his #22 KRTT.




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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2011, 11:17:14 PM »
Excellent work mate, I like to look at "no expense spared" builds like yours, the quality of work appears to be second to none! Cheers, Terry.  ;D
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2011, 01:18:22 PM »
This is fantastic stuff, thanks Vincent. Oh and thanks for the encouragement on my CB400F. Yes, there were a lot of hardships and lessons learned, but it was so much fun and such an achievement.

Some questions for you about your CR750. Did you add the oil gauge on the dash yourself or is that something done on the original CR's? What do you plan to do about the electronics? There's a photo of a battery, but where are you putting it? I see you have a catch tank under the seat hump. By the way, what is the catch tank for?

Great stuff, thanks for the updates.

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2011, 11:27:00 PM »

Here are a few more pics.

Like the dashboard, the fender mounts were hand-formed.










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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2011, 12:18:06 AM »

One more picture. This one shows the bike at home with one of its garage mates.



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Yes, I think the workmanship is excellent. I went around the LA area and interviewed welders. I found guys who knew a lot about bikes and did OK fabrication, I found guys who didn't know much about bikes but did beautiful fabrication, I found guys who only worked on choppers and bobbers, and then I found two guys who knew a lot about bikes in general and Honda race bikes in particular, were terrific fabricators, and had enthusiasm for the project. But when you say it looks like a "no expense spared" project, all I can say is "Man, I wish that was true." For one thing, I would've gotten one of those $3500 replica 2-leading-shoe front brakes. I was determined to have a very well-done end product, and I knew that would be expensive since I couldn't do the welding and parts fabrication. If I could have just written a check and had everything taken care of, it wouldn't have taken from 2007 until now just to get this far. Instead, I've tried to strike deals wherever I could, I've sold things that I was willing to sacrifice for the project, I've volunteered to put in as many extra hours at work as I can, and I've taken various side jobs, just to finance the project. All those things, and a patient and loving wife, have gotten things to where they are now. I don't want anyone to think I'm some fat cat throwing checks around. I'm just another motorcycle nut case who wants what he wants and is willing to work extra and eat canned soup or oatmeal for dinner.

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I'll respond to your questions tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2011, 12:20:14 AM »
Look at some sort of fork brace Vincent, i like that front guard but you have removed the brace and that won't help it handle well.... ;)
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2011, 12:33:01 AM »

One more picture. This one shows the bike at home with one of its garage mates.



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Yes, I think the workmanship is excellent. I went around the LA area and interviewed welders. I found guys who knew a lot about bikes and did OK fabrication, I found guys who didn't know much about bikes but did beautiful fabrication, I found guys who only worked on choppers and bobbers, and then I found two guys who knew a lot about bikes in general and Honda race bikes in particular, were terrific fabricators, and had enthusiasm for the project. But when you say it looks like a "no expense spared" project, all I can say is "Man, I wish that was true." For one thing, I would've gotten one of those $3500 replica 2-leading-shoe front brakes. I was determined to have a very well-done end product, and I knew that would be expensive since I couldn't do the welding and parts fabrication. If I could have just written a check and had everything taken care of, it wouldn't have taken from 2007 until now just to get this far. Instead, I've tried to strike deals wherever I could, I've sold things that I was willing to sacrifice for the project, I've volunteered to put in as many extra hours at work as I can, and I've taken various side jobs, just to finance the project. All those things, and a patient and loving wife, have gotten things to where they are now. I don't want anyone to think I'm some fat cat throwing checks around. I'm just another motorcycle nut case who wants what he wants and is willing to work extra and eat canned soup or oatmeal for dinner.

Vincent

No worries mate, but don't think that "No expense spared" builds are the preserve of the filthy rich, I've known several working class guys who have made incredible personal sacrifices to build outstanding bikes. And don't sweat on your not being able to afford a 4LS front brake, apart from the fact that Honda never built a CR750 with one, from my experience owning both a Suzuki GT750J and a Laverda 750SF, compared to even a stock CB750 disc brake setup, a 4LS front brake is rubbish. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2011, 01:18:32 PM »

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For one thing, I would've gotten one of those $3500 replica 2-leading-shoe front brakes.

Thanks for pointing out the thing about the CR brakes. I meant to say "rear" instead of "front." The 2-leading-shoe brake I was referring to was this one on the M3 Racing website. :

Hand made, cast in magnesium this is an exact replica of the Honda CR750 factory rear hub. Complete with backing plate, brake shoes and large sprocket circlip.   $3500.

Maybe if I win the lottery I'll get that one. In the meantime, I'll try to remember that my brain seems to move more slowly after midnight. Down below the Reply box, there are Post, Preview, and Spell Check buttons. If only there could be a Fact Check button.

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2011, 01:53:36 PM »
My plan for that rear hub is to finish the bike, then start saving again for that. Relatively easy to install it later anyways. I'd sooner spend the money on hopping up the engine first, then do comparatively aesthetic things like forks and rear drum. Having said that, I do lose sleep over how much I 'long' for trick CR750 parts. It's a curse!

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2011, 04:53:21 AM »

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For one thing, I would've gotten one of those $3500 replica 2-leading-shoe front brakes.

Thanks for pointing out the thing about the CR brakes. I meant to say "rear" instead of "front." The 2-leading-shoe brake I was referring to was this one on the M3 Racing website. :

Hand made, cast in magnesium this is an exact replica of the Honda CR750 factory rear hub. Complete with backing plate, brake shoes and large sprocket circlip.   $3500.

Maybe if I win the lottery I'll get that one. In the meantime, I'll try to remember that my brain seems to move more slowly after midnight. Down below the Reply box, there are Post, Preview, and Spell Check buttons. If only there could be a Fact Check button.


Yep, very nice mate, but 3500 bucks for a rear hub, no matter how pretty, is just silly. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2011, 12:36:50 PM »
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2011, 02:22:29 PM »
Very nice , liking this build very much , keep up the pics  :)
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2011, 02:48:38 PM »
Well done! I really like this build! Also like the english wheel in the shop!
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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2011, 02:14:37 AM »
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2011, 05:18:24 AM »
Great build -

LordMoonPie, along with having one of the greatest forum names ever, sure makes a great set of pipes.

That $3500 rear brake is sheer bike porn.

In the meantime, you can just glass bead the rear drum - makes it look more "race" than the factory polish.   Pretty effective and cheap.

Can't wait to see this one finished.  Well done sir, well done.
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2011, 03:35:44 PM »

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Some questions for you about your CR750. Did you add the oil gauge on the dash yourself or is that something done on the original CR's? What do you plan to do about the electronics? There's a photo of a battery, but where are you putting it? I see you have a catch tank under the seat hump. By the way, what is the catch tank for?


Rick B-

The only CR750 I've seen in person had a dashboard that held a tach and a Smiths oil temperature/oil pressure gauge (I'm sure someone here in the forum will have all the facts). Since I'm building mine as a street bike, what I wanted most was a standard set of speedo and tach, but I thought it'd look a little more "race" if I could find a cool Smiths gauge. I came across an NOS Smiths oil pressure gauge - in the original box - on ebay, and that's what is on the bike. I had initially wanted to use the stock CB750 gauges, but it was too crowded there under the windshield. Takashi, who did most of the fabrication, suggested CB400F gauges for two reasons. They're smaller, and the speedo is geared for an 18-inch front wheel, which my bike has. But nothing is really simple. The red line is set at 10,000, and I thought that was too high. I found a pair of the gauges on ebay, and then I found a guy who makes gauge faces. He said he could make a set with any changes I wanted, so I had him set the red line at 9,000 and add another two hash tags to the 130 mph speedo so that it would read to 140. Of course, only in fever dreams do I ride that fast, but I thought it would be more in keeping with the look of the bike. Also, I had him do the faces in black to match the face of the Smiths gauge. He seemd like a nice guy, wrote back right away, sent the faces quickly, and didn't charge extra for the changes. He's on ebay, doing business as "catiawheels."

Tha catch tank captures any oil vapor that escapes the upper part of the engine and makes it past the oil tank, separates the oil from the vapor, returns most of that oil to the oil tank, vents the vapor to the air, and allows the draining of the oil that gets caught in the catch tank. I think that's an adequate working definition. On this bike, it's more of an interesting detail than something that's really necessary, since the bike won't be raced and will probably never be stressed to the point of blowing out much oil vapor.

I'll be using a Dyna electronic ignition, so there won't be any condensors to hide. I have a solid-state regulator/rectifier combo, and that's been mounted out of sight under the tank near the coils. The battery location is my favorite, though. Installing the exhaust system  involved getting rid of the center stand, and Takashi made a battery box to hold the little lithium battery and attached it to the frame where the center stand used to be. So it's pretty much under the front of the swingarm, and you have to look for it in order to see it. Very slick. The kick start lever will be removed, so the bike will look like it needs to be bump-started, but I'll be able to start it with a button.

So tell me: After all your work on the 400F, you moved to the Golden State. Do you have a motorcycle here? Have you been to The Rock Store? Have you been to Garage Company?

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2011, 06:47:10 AM »
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Ahaaaa, great taste.... Chimay, Leffe and Duvel  :P
Is this shop in LA or in Belgium?  ;D
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2011, 10:16:44 PM »


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Ahaaaa, great taste.... Chimay, Leffe and Duvel  :P
Is this shop in LA or in Belgium?  ;D
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Hi Dakota-
His shop is here in LA, but Takashi, in addition to being a terrific fabricator, is also a musician and fan of the products of Belgium. On the back wall of the shop you can see a Rembrandt self-portrait and a few of Takashi's violins. What you can't see in this picture is his piano and his collection of recordings of the music of Django Reinhardt.

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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2011, 01:42:37 PM »
Hello!!

Great project making a CR750 for the street!!!
I've done the same last year, from a F1 for a customer, at low cost that explain the rear disc brake and the light dashboard (no Smith gauge and tachy) but tanks are aluminium parts.
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2011, 11:27:05 AM »
Hi RegDeg-

Nice looking bike. Who supplied the exhausts? I see screws (rivets?) near the tips. Are there removable baffles? Is the engine built up or stock?

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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2011, 01:36:24 PM »
As you say it is a look like bike.
The exhausts come from Swarbrick-racing in England. The down pipes have the double curve for the ext cylinders but the meggaphones are full straight... It was very long and difficult to have the good shape. Now I know how no to!....
These exhausts have removable baffles by rivets (the next one will have screws for easier mod) but the customer prefers ride it on the road without baffle!
The engine have only a better camshaft already mounted when I've start the CR modifications. It increase the power at mid range. On this engine, I've only installed velocity stacks and tune the carburation settings for the meggaphones.

Here is some photos during the building. The tanks are hungarians. the Meadspeed ones match better the CR shape but mines are 2 at 3 time less expensive.

I will follow yours because I want to do, for me this time, the same principe: like if HRC would make a street bike but in 60's, with biggest magnesium drumbrakes, cycleX git kit 849cc, cr31, aluminium tanks (fuel one from meadspeed )and frame modified/renforced on a CB750. I've got a k0 frame already lightly modified for this project.
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Re: CR750 replica for the street
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2011, 12:23:29 PM »

Hi RegDeg-

I'd love to see pictures of your buildup. It would be really exciting to hear the bike with no baffles, but I'd be afraid of the police chasing me around all the time. On my bike, the exhausts will be the last thing to get finished. After the engine is built and installed, I'm going to try it with different amounts of muffler packing to choose a noise level that's right for me.