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Offline F16Viper68

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2012, 02:32:23 pm »

I started looking at the wiring and noticed the wiring had been crushed by the primary cover.  I'll see if it's repairable later in the week.  I can't believe this didn't kill the R/R but it checks good by the DVM.   




This was a problem for both my CB500 and 750...where the three yellows exit the stator...they always seem to fail in that spot.  Simple enough fix...patch...solder...and go.

Yep, cut out damaged section, splice in some new wires, slide on heat shrink tubing, solder, melt heat shrink, and wrap in electrical tape.  Surprised it didn't do any damage

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2013, 05:51:50 pm »
It's been awhile but I've decided it's time to take this project to the next level.  The frame, swing arm, and other pieces are in need of restoration.  So today was dedicated to taking the bike down to the frame so I can get it to a powercoater this week. 

Started with this.



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This is where I've decided to stop for the night.  If not, I'll need medical attention.



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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2013, 07:45:25 pm »
Everything came back from the powercoaters this evening.  It looks pretty good IMHO.  I did discover during the process I going to have replace the races in the steering neck.  The chrome surface was wiped out during the sandblasting process.  Also the rear shock bushings in the swingarm were destroyed during the baking process.  Both parts are on order and have shipped.  I can't wait to start putting this thing back together.

Question - I'm going to take the cylinder head off to replace the head gasket and the oil seals but I'd rather not taking it down any further simply because there's no need.  The compression is good and it's not leaking.  Anyone ever paint an engine without taking it fully apart? 









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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2013, 08:07:49 pm »
hey Dave, just found your thread, looking great! to answer your question I JUST painted my engine without taking it apart. lots of degreasing, soda blasting, and more degreasing but it can be done. its obviously more thorough to take it all apart etc, but no one is going to notice, especially from 5 feet away or greater! I think it turned out great, I am about to update my build thread(Yolanda the honda!)

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2013, 02:46:55 am »
I painted my engine by simply washing it down well then spraying it with engine enamel.  It has held up well for over 2 years.  It looks 20:20 good.  At 20 feet and 20 miles an hour ;D.  When I get around to putting my overbore kit in it, I will paint it properly ;D.
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2013, 08:06:13 am »
Like any other paint job ,the finish reflects the prep.
 Super clean engine first:  so the oils dont keep getting pushed around on prep'd surfaces
 Light sand every surface to remove stubborn oxidation and provide "tooth for new paint
 Blow the hell out of it .leave no dust behind, some compressors can leave oily/ watery residue, depending      on it's condition. I use a brake cleaner at this point  ( Important  be sure that you use the brake cleaner that does not take the paint off, or you'll be doing it over!) be sure you have tested your cleaner to see if it bubbles up paint before you spray the whole motor
 Clean up : very important, physically clean and chemically clean, with "tooth" there is no reason for paint not to stick.
Use the green paint tape around parts that you don't want paint on, it sticks better than blue tape and doesn't bleed through.
High temp paint- 3 light coats then i solid finish coat I use a hairdryer at all stages here ... stops drips , drys paint and sets the paint with a little heat.
  While you have the motor out ,this will be cake , have fun.
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #106 on: April 01, 2013, 06:50:35 am »
hey Dave, just found your thread, looking great! to answer your question I JUST painted my engine without taking it apart. lots of degreasing, soda blasting, and more degreasing but it can be done. its obviously more thorough to take it all apart etc, but no one is going to notice, especially from 5 feet away or greater! I think it turned out great, I am about to update my build thread(Yolanda the honda!)

Thank you very much for the comments and suggestions.  Did you soda blast the fins?

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2013, 06:51:53 am »
I painted my engine by simply washing it down well then spraying it with engine enamel.  It has held up well for over 2 years.  It looks 20:20 good.  At 20 feet and 20 miles an hour ;D.  When I get around to putting my overbore kit in it, I will paint it properly ;D.

LOL, 20/20.  I'll be using that line in the near future.   ;D  I've degreased and pressure washed it already so I might clean it up some more and give it a whirl. 

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2013, 06:53:21 am »
Like any other paint job ,the finish reflects the prep.
 Super clean engine first:  so the oils dont keep getting pushed around on prep'd surfaces
 Light sand every surface to remove stubborn oxidation and provide "tooth for new paint
 Blow the hell out of it .leave no dust behind, some compressors can leave oily/ watery residue, depending      on it's condition. I use a brake cleaner at this point  ( Important  be sure that you use the brake cleaner that does not take the paint off, or you'll be doing it over!) be sure you have tested your cleaner to see if it bubbles up paint before you spray the whole motor
 Clean up : very important, physically clean and chemically clean, with "tooth" there is no reason for paint not to stick.
Use the green paint tape around parts that you don't want paint on, it sticks better than blue tape and doesn't bleed through.
High temp paint- 3 light coats then i solid finish coat I use a hairdryer at all stages here ... stops drips , drys paint and sets the paint with a little heat.
  While you have the motor out ,this will be cake , have fun.

How long between coats? 

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #109 on: April 03, 2013, 07:34:59 pm »
The reassembly has begun.  I'm trying to get back to a rolling chassis before I forget where everything goes.   :o

New springs and plastic cover for the centerstand.


I made a mistake when I took the front end apart nearly in one piece.  It was never going back together that way so I had to take it apart off the bike...not fun. 




The front is pretty much back together minus the headlight glass.


Before (rear brake pivot):


After (rear brake pivot):


Rear swing arm, shocks, and rear tire installed.


This is my stopping point for tonight.  In the next few days I'll work on the air box, battery box, rear fender, and tail light assembly.


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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #110 on: April 05, 2013, 06:57:57 pm »
Okay, I've got a rolling chassis again.  I've put as much back together as I can without putting the engine back in.  I'm mulling over what to do with the engine at this point.  I need to take it apart enough to replace the head gasket and o-rings to address an oil leak.  I'm mulling over take it all the away apart so I can properly paint the engine. 

Thoughts from the collective?





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This one is prior to pressure washing.



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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #111 on: April 05, 2013, 08:08:12 pm »
If it aint #$%*ed don't fix it
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #112 on: April 05, 2013, 08:11:43 pm »
I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to answer your question : how long between coats?
I take my time and thoroughly feather coat the engine going around it 3 times using a hairdryer all the way.
By the time I get around after the 3rd feather coat ,it is dry enough for a uniform coat and wet enough for the new paint to adhere to the feather coat. Continue to use hairdryer  to dry  and stop runs, you'll know when aluminum paint is ready to run , there will be an inconsistancy in the metalic, a blotch, that means too thick in that area.
  So there really isn't any waiting time between coats ,it's all tack when recoated so it can cure as one coat.
I spend allot of time with the hairdryer after the uniform coat.
   I hope that helped. Have fun.  The rolling frame looks great, good progress.
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #113 on: April 06, 2013, 10:24:51 am »
Maybe take the heads off, have them powercoated black and paint the lower cases (assembled) silver? 

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #114 on: April 06, 2013, 10:54:50 am »

Were you in the 68th TFS at Moody by chance?
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2013, 02:14:37 pm »

Were you in the 68th TFS at Moody by chance?

No mostly the 309th at Homestead, 309th/79th at Shaw, and 35th at Kunsan. 

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2013, 03:19:35 pm »

The Ducks!  I was in the 308th. Probably the same time frame. Got out just after Andrew blew my house away with most of Southern FL.

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #117 on: April 08, 2013, 03:40:47 pm »

The Ducks!  I was in the 308th. Probably the same time frame. Got out just after Andrew blew my house away with most of Southern FL.

Cheers!

Emerald Knights!  :)  I was there from 91 till Andrew destroyed my house also.  Fun times.   :o

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2013, 08:44:56 pm »
bike is looking good. Wanna paint my motor to but im not sure if im gonna

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2013, 05:16:45 pm »
I decided to take the cylinder head off to swap out the head gasket and oil seals to address a minor oil leak.  While everything was apart I replaced the valve seals and lapped the valves.  The hardest part of the operation was finding a suitable spring compressor that didn't cost a fortune.  After checking the auto parts stores (everything was too big) I figured I'd just make one out a c-clamp and cut up socket. 



It worked pretty well but when I was putting the keepers back in I realized I wished I played more of the game Operation when I was a child.  ;D 





When I re-assembling everything I realized the gasket kit from Athena didn't include the small O-ring gaskets  I needed on the left and right side of the cylinder head.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(



I figured since I was going to need to order the O-rings why not just order a OEM head gasket too.

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #120 on: May 26, 2013, 05:39:37 pm »
I partially assembled the engine so I could paint it with Dulicolor 1615 Aluminum.   I cleaned up what I could with wire wheels, brass brushes, gray scouring pads, taped it off, and painted.  It's not perfect by any means but it looks better than it did before.

 












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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2013, 07:36:58 pm »
wow, big difference on the engine. looking great man. slowly converting from rusty anchor to crown jewel

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2013, 10:54:44 pm »
Awesome build, man! WAY more thorough than mine! Definitely like the engine cleaning and paint. The one major thing I regret was not cleaning my engine well enough or painting it. :-[ Very nice job! I can't wait to see it completed.
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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #123 on: May 27, 2013, 04:34:16 pm »
wow, big difference on the engine. looking great man. slowly converting from rusty anchor to crown jewel

Many thanks.  It's been a long road but I'm happy with how it's turning out.  I still have a carb issue to resolve but I'll get to it once everything is back together.

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Re: 1981 CB650C aka "The Titanic's Anchor"
« Reply #124 on: May 27, 2013, 04:36:23 pm »
Awesome build, man! WAY more thorough than mine! Definitely like the engine cleaning and paint. The one major thing I regret was not cleaning my engine well enough or painting it. :-[ Very nice job! I can't wait to see it completed.

No worries it only took me two years to get around to cleaning and painting it.   8)

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