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Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« on: May 18, 2006, 10:06:06 AM »
I've got a 1978 CB550K and i just recently bought a Mac 4 - 1 for it. It sounds and works SOOO nice with no baffles in it. BUT i was told by alot of people that it will drop valves quicker than a grinder riding with no baffles. Pain to the bike or Gain in power????

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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 10:09:38 AM »
I don't see how running without baffles (basically a straightpipe) will do damage to the motor ?
I know running a motor open-port (no exhaust) isn't the best, but I have also seen a smallblock chevy v8 running around open-port on my friends driveway  :o ;D :o
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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 10:39:36 AM »
I think the idea is that a 4-1 flows freer and thus the engine runs leaner. You take out the baffle and you wil run even leaner. Now if you jet up just a little, that should be fine then.

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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 11:14:29 AM »
There's is so little baffling in the MAC cans to begin with, it's hardly worth the effort to take them out.

I've always wondered if there was any way to put more baffling IN the MAC exhausts.
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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2006, 11:23:40 AM »
Lean is Mean  ;)
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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2006, 11:25:18 AM »
You could burn a valve if running too lean but like was said above, you would need to read your plugs to see.

Here's my meat head take on exhaust tuning, a few select drunken flashbacks from college...

You've got atmospheric pressure outside the engine and a bunch more than atmospheric coming out your exhaust valve.  Those gases want to get out to lower pressure, so removing the baffle will give them an easier path.  You'll hear about a scavenging effect in 2 strokes, which kind of applies here.  Those pulses move thru the header and leave behind a pocket of lower pressure.  Some dude got all worked up about entropy in the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and this is an example.  

The gases won't stay away from that lower pressure, so more exhaust moves in to fill that lower pressure pocket.  You get too many big pulses sucking on the intake and that will confuse the #$%* out of your carbs.  Having a baffle in there will lessen the severity of those pulses by introducing a restriction.  I think the net result of removing the restriction would be that your peak torque and horsepower would move up the rpm range.  That's all considering you're jetted to maintain a 14.7 (aka stoichiometric) air/fuel ratio.  It's times like this when closed-loop fuel injection would be handy.

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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2006, 12:34:15 PM »
I recently aquired a Mac 4-1 system too and was thinking of cutting the canister off the mid pipe and using a small automotive fluted tip and then installing a baffle into the Mac mid pipe.  I'll be playing around with it but it will have the Carpy'esk look.
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Re: Mac 4-1 Pipe with no baffles. Pain or gain???
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2006, 12:44:53 PM »
I had a MAC 2-into-1 on my old Suzuki GS450, and I just did a little creative stuffing with some fiberglass wrap around the baffles to make the exhaust a bit quiter. It also removed the ugly off-idle stumble that had plagued the bike for a while.

I'm thinking about ordering one of the MAC cannister systems for my '73 CB. The original 4-into-4 is reaching the end of its service life.