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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 07:31:40 PM »
Oil rings for a 78?
Took me 6 seconds to find some!

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2011, 09:45:03 PM »
We're impatiently waiting for Thurs to hear back from you about the sale!
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 06:39:09 AM »
Did you get it??!
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 08:10:10 AM »
VERY nice looking bike for a GRAND OBO-
 77/78 engines were actually the better engines of the 750 line . By 77 HONDA had pretty much modified and found ALL the bugs these engines had developed and corrected them. Offer 700$ just because it's not running and you can't test ride!
 You will  definately need a carb rebuild/ replacement depends how BAD the insides look.
Since you will need to do valves/guides/seals look over the CAM real good for obvious wear on the lobes and BLUEING where the cam sits in the saddle.. If the cam is a little blue in the saddle area , this means they have had lack of oil and got HOT.
If I went to the trouble to pull the head , why not pull jugs and go bigger to an 836 kit( new pistons/rings/cylinders bored. This can be done for about 4-5 Benjamins( includes cost of piston kit)

For another CB750 forum for in go to HONDACHOPPER.com  Loads of good info but it has to be CB750 specific!!

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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 06:32:36 PM »
Did you get it??!
I'm in Miami! I went on vacation before I got to it... hope it's still there when I return!

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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2011, 07:17:19 PM »
Don't be too fussed about the F2/3 top end nightmares, if the bike has been well maintained that won't necessarily be an issue. I've owned two F2's, the first was a very well mainatined original 1 owner bike with around 40,000 miles on the odometer, and had no issues at all, apart from a problem with the engine misfiring horribly on a wet day, which turned out to be a faulty seal at the base of the ignition switch, after I first replaced the entire ignition assembly, coils and leads. Oh well, I took them off again and reinstalled the old parts before I sold it.

The second F2 had "God knows how many" previous owners, had been crashed, thrashed, and even had been on fire at one point, which had melted the wiring harness and a part of the air box. The engine had been "rebuilt", but the "mechanic" had left out a piston pin circlip which allowed the pin to rub up and down the cylinder, and carved a groove which was too deep to bore out. The valves rattled around in the guides and the tips of the valves were "mushroomed", a common fault with F2 valves because the tips were too soft, and the steeper F2/3 valve angles (to allow bigger inlet and exhaust valves) further exacerbated the problem. It was well and truly screwed...........

F2/3 engines, if regularly abused, not maintained and run with filthy oil are also prone to valves jamming in the guides, causing terminal engine failure. I've got two F2 heads that have come frome engines with dropped valves, and it's not a good look. I converted that engine to a K6 top end (cylinder block, head, pistons and cam) and never had any major issues after the conversion. Contrary to a previous post, the F2/3 engine was fragile compared to the K and early F series bikes, but a good one is a joy to own. Your bike looks pretty tidy, so of course if it was me I'd buy it, but I've got the wherewithall to rebuild it if necessary, for not much money. Up to you mate, but it looks like a pretty good deal to me. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2011, 09:26:52 PM »
It's still for sale!

I'm heading up to see it next week and will advise of what I discover...

I'm not too fond of the comstar wheels on the 78's but I have a pair of Lesters (see another post of mine trying to identify them) that just might fit.

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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2011, 09:59:04 PM »
I think if you get it for something less than $1000 you will have done good.  Without it running maybe in the $700 range if it is nice shape otherwise.  Amazing how lazy some people are, with a few hours time and $40 for a battery he could get his asking price+ and sell it quicker.

If you get it and won't be keeping the lowers for the fairing I would be interested in them.

Recently there was another thread about the F2/3 and someone mentioned that the guide issue was mainly on the F2 and had been fixed for the F3.  Don't know if that's true or not.
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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2011, 09:34:21 AM »
It's still for sale!

I'm heading up to see it next week and will advise of what I discover...

I'm not too fond of the comstar wheels on the 78's but I have a pair of Lesters (see another post of mine trying to identify them) that just might fit.
Hope you haven't let what looks by the pics to be a pretty nice F model slip through fingers. Its been over a month since you first posted about it. If you don't jump pretty quick on these 750's even on a F model you usually lose out. I hope it's still there for you.
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2011, 11:17:13 AM »
If it's still for sale, there obviously has not been much interest in it.
If it looks like something you want once you look at it, I would offer $700 like srust suggested. Winter is not the best time for selling a bike, especially around the Holidays, he may just want it gone.

Good Luck!
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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2011, 02:17:07 PM »
I had a 78 750F with 28,000 miles on the original engine. Just a heads up:

Yes, these bikes had premature valve guide wear. Take a compression tester and measure the pressure. If it's anything less than 90, I would try and negotiate a lower price. I got mine 100% original but the #2 cylinder was zero on the tester. I paid $250 for it. Depending on the owner's riding style, the valves would last no more than 30,000 miles. Some would crap out at 10,000.

Now there's two options on how to fix this.

1. Swap in an earlier K engine. Yes, it just drops right in and all you'll need is the same model/year sprocket carrier to go with the engine so your sprockets line up.

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2. Shell out hundreds of dollars to fix the head. Even installing new guides isn't going to fix the problem since F2/3 valve guides sit at a different angle than earlier K heads.

I paid another $250 for a spare 75K engine and a few dollars on an earlier sprocket carrier.

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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2011, 02:29:22 PM »
Rings are not easy to find

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I had a set of stock size rings sent to me in a week. Worked perfectly but cost $120.

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« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2011, 07:34:15 PM »
Whatever happened to basics like a compression test?  If the thing spins cleanly, the compression is likely to be down a bit but should be relatively consistent across the board, then go for it, so long as you don't need to ride it tomorrow.  It's all there along with all sorts of goodies.
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« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2011, 07:53:36 PM »
I had a 78 750F with 28,000 miles on the original engine. Just a heads up:

Yes, these bikes had premature valve guide wear. Take a compression tester and measure the pressure. If it's anything less than 90, I would try and negotiate a lower price. I got mine 100% original but the #2 cylinder was zero on the tester. I paid $250 for it. Depending on the owner's riding style, the valves would last no more than 30,000 miles. Some would crap out at 10,000.

Now there's two options on how to fix this.

1. Swap in an earlier K engine. Yes, it just drops right in and all you'll need is the same model/year sprocket carrier to go with the engine so your sprockets line up.

or

2. Shell out hundreds of dollars to fix the head. Even installing new guides isn't going to fix the problem since F2/3 valve guides sit at a different angle than earlier K heads.

I paid another $250 for a spare 75K engine and a few dollars on an earlier sprocket carrier.
I have a spare 1972 engine I picked up along with two frames and a whole pile of gauges etc. but I have no idea what condition it's in... it does spin over but that's about all I can say for now.

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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2012, 08:16:11 PM »
I bought it!

This evening I went by and ended up getting it for $500.00.

He included:
clear title (registration)
right angle wrench tool for adjusting the carbs (it takes a 1/4 inch socket or screwdriver bit)
manometer (older mercury type, but at least I won't have to buy one)
Clymer manual (I had just ordered Hondaman's on a 30% off sale at Lulu publishing)
nice leather motorcycle jacket and chaps (the jacket is a bit too tight on me, a size 48 so I need to skip a few meals)
complete rain suit (again too small)
Vetter Windjammer III fairing and lowers
size 10 boots (too small)
2 helmets (one a nice SHOEI)
gloves
original tool case and tools
nice luggage rack

He's a mechanic, and adjusted everything himself every spring before riding. It appears to have been well looked after although we didn't start it with no battery. Turned over well on the kick start.

The carbs will need a cleaning, and a new battery.

Inside of tank is spotless. The bike is straight and clean.

The tires look great, Avons, but are circa 1987 so new ones are definately in order (I think). Thoughts?
 
I'm going up with my truck on the weekend to pick it up... I'll take some gas and a battery and see if we can't get it running.

I'm hoping this will be one of my better finds... time will tell!

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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2012, 08:17:49 PM »
Anyone need a jacket (size 48), chaps and boots (size 10)?

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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2012, 08:36:12 PM »
Well, there ya go. Good deal!

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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2012, 08:43:07 PM »
That sounds like a great deal, take a few pics for us when you go back plz!  8)

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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2012, 11:16:48 PM »
For my two cents the bike is worth every penny of $1,000 running or not.  Parts alone would be double the value if the bike is as clean as it looks.  Parts for the later F bikes are a #$%* to find.  Take it from someone who just spent the last 8 months on a restoration.  78 was the last year for the SOHC engine as you know.  Find out what the engine number is.  Engines built after 2612798 changed.  They only made those for six months.  You WILL not find pistons without overboring.  If it was built after the number above you'll have better luck backing Ron Paul than you will finding rings if your pistons are still good.  They changed the rings from 1.0, 1.2, 2.8 to 1.2, 1.2, 2.8 MM on the last build.  Valves are impossible to find if you need them.  You can still find some of the internal parts if your block is before 2612798.  After that, good luck.

The only way I was able to get the good parts I did was from the guys changing over to a cafe build and abandoning many of the things we like about the F.  I would still do an F bike again in a heartbeat before I did a K but I would go for a 76 or 77.  Not a 78.  Nothing against the K, I just like the discs brakes all around, black engine and I love the little trunk in the tail cone.  I know I let the cat out of the bag for the guys not really familiar with the F but I would buy the bike sight unseen for $1,000 with clear title.  Tell me where it is if you pass on it OK?

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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2012, 04:31:17 AM »
Wow, you got an awesome deal. even without all the extra goodies.

Tires have a life expectancy of 7 years so they need replacing.

Some would say if there are no signs of dry rot or cracking on the sidewalls you are OK.

Personally there is not a chance I would ride on them.

Tires and new brakes, SS brake lines and a new master Cly are the first things I will do on any project.

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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2012, 04:41:12 AM »
+1, old tires that sit in garages for many years forget how to grip. I've got braided brake lines, but don't like them, my brakes work well, but have lost much of the 'feel' that they  once had. They do look nice though.

Don't buy an OEM MC unless you're doing a total "nuts and bolts" resto, you can buy a much better modern Japanese MC for cheap, I just bought a new OEM Yamaha FZR1000 MC for 50 bucks on Ebay, including a new lever. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2012, 06:53:05 AM »
Good deal!  Sounds like he wanted to be rid of everything associated  with the bike
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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2012, 09:09:59 AM »
For my two cents the bike is worth every penny of $1,000 running or not.  Parts alone would be double the value if the bike is as clean as it looks.  Parts for the later F bikes are a #$%* to find.  Take it from someone who just spent the last 8 months on a restoration.  78 was the last year for the SOHC engine as you know.  Find out what the engine number is.  Engines built after 2612798 changed.  They only made those for six months.  You WILL not find pistons without overboring.  If it was built after the number above you'll have better luck backing Ron Paul than you will finding rings if your pistons are still good.  They changed the rings from 1.0, 1.2, 2.8 to 1.2, 1.2, 2.8 MM on the last build.  Valves are impossible to find if you need them.  You can still find some of the internal parts if your block is before 2612798.  After that, good luck.

The only way I was able to get the good parts I did was from the guys changing over to a cafe build and abandoning many of the things we like about the F.  I would still do an F bike again in a heartbeat before I did a K but I would go for a 76 or 77.  Not a 78.  Nothing against the K, I just like the discs brakes all around, black engine and I love the little trunk in the tail cone.  I know I let the cat out of the bag for the guys not really familiar with the F but I would buy the bike sight unseen for $1,000 with clear title.  Tell me where it is if you pass on it OK?
Thanks Greydude... great insights.

I'll see what the engine number is tomorrow or Sunday when I pick it up. Let's hope it's under 2612798.

I may be calling upon your expertise as I figure this one out...