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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2011, 05:38:00 PM »
Then they shall be the ones to find those cornering limits. ;)

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2011, 05:46:31 PM »
Imo the cornering limits dont exist on these old bikes. I have seen sportbikes using them with out any problem doing cornering speeds not possible on a CB. My two cents. Now dont be to rough on me guys...haha

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2011, 05:49:39 PM »
Imo the cornering limits dont exist on these old bikes. I have seen sportbikes using them with out any problem doing cornering speeds not possible on a CB. My two cents. Now dont be to rough on me guys...haha

No problems Brandon, i just think its a vague saying not too do certain things without going into more detail.... ;)
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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2011, 05:54:15 PM »
Its all insurance liability mumbo jumbo.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2011, 05:49:03 AM »
Imo the cornering limits dont exist on these old bikes. I have seen sportbikes using them with out any problem doing cornering speeds not possible on a CB. My two cents. Now dont be to rough on me guys...haha

No problems Brandon, i just think its a vague saying not too do certain things without going into more detail.... ;)

Complete change in tone as RR tries to build support, and a following of individuals, willing to listen to his worn out advice.  Looking over your behavior in the last several days, a case could be made to have the mods remove you.  Just sayin'
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2011, 05:58:41 AM »
I am gonna get that goop that Andy uses. One flat tire can ruin you r day.
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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2011, 06:18:47 AM »
I dont think the mods will be removing anyone. Thats almost laughable. I have been here a while now and I can only remember a couple people who were banned. It takes a lot... A LOT more than this. what will likely happen is that this thread will get locked at some point because its strayed so far off topic.

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2011, 06:23:29 AM »
I dont think the mods will be removing anyone. Thats almost laughable. I have been here a while now and I can only remember a couple people who were banned. It takes a lot... A LOT more than this. what will likely happen is that this thread will get locked at some point because its strayed so far off topic.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2011, 06:30:26 AM »
They sell these on 4x4 websites for use in Jeeps and such with bigger than normal tires. I tried them in my mild jeep that "only" has 33"dia. tires and they were horrible! Plus they really scuff the inside of your tire, I removed alot of rubber dust with the beads when I went back to lead weights. Like Amsoil, this is a product that only got my money once!
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2011, 07:05:40 AM »
They sell these on 4x4 websites for use in Jeeps and such with bigger than normal tires. I tried them in my mild jeep that "only" has 33"dia. tires and they were horrible! Plus they really scuff the inside of your tire, I removed alot of rubber dust with the beads when I went back to lead weights. Like Amsoil, this is a product that only got my money once!
I know they promote them for off road vehicles. But i don't see the point. usually those vehicles are moving so slowly...
And I've heard the complaint about internal scuffing. AS the wheel slows to near stop then picks up again, those beads have to be going all over the place.

I suppose if it were a race buggy, but they don'tmake that distinction.

Always struck me as an answer to a question unasked.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2011, 08:03:58 AM »
Complete change in tone as RR tries to build support, and a following of individuals, willing to listen to his worn out advice.  Looking over your behavior in the last several days, a case could be made to have the mods remove you.  Just sayin'

Come on, don’t be so Rigid! Members are allowed to express their opinions, even if it’s a like or dislike for other members as long as they’re not bordering on illegal activity. I haven’t seen anyone call you out behind the building for further explanation on the physics of Dyna Beads yet.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2011, 03:11:54 PM »
i'm thinkin a new reality show, retro rocket vs rigid, the sohc4 build off.....
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2011, 03:19:01 PM »
i'm thinkin a new reality show, retro rocket vs rigid, the sohc4 build off.....

....and TT in the Jesse James role for a 3 way build-off, with everyone dissing everyone else mandatory.....

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2011, 03:33:46 PM »
Its all insurance liability mumbo jumbo.

my thoughts exactly.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2011, 04:50:06 PM »

There is no force available to make beads inside a tire move to a specific point 180 degrees from the source of imbalance.  In fact the same force  that keeps water in a pail swung around your head would force the beads to the point of maximum displacement; making the problem worse. Whether the point of displacement was static (out of round) or dynamic (unequal mass distribution). 

Wow, just hours after this post appeared, a video for the Centramatic balancing system was posted as well. Check the part with the strobe lighting, showing the balls moving EXACTLY how Mark claims they cannot and wiil not, to the point opposite the "heavy" part of the wheel. Also note how the wheel comes into  balance when this repositioning occurs. There tends to be a lot of bogus science on these boards, but I'm pleased to see this erroneous claim unmasked in such short order. Very gratifying. This technology has been around for years in various guises and apps, as others have alluded to.

rgconner makes a much more substantive arguement, in my view. RG, correct me if I get this wrong, but to paraphrase you seem accepting of the technology, but dubious of the effectiveness of the beads vs. the metallic balls in oil that the Centramatic uses as an effective balancing tool. I can see your point, given the low mass of the balls they might indeed move about when jostled, upsetting the balancing. However, I think you may be underestimating the extrememly strong centrifugal force generated when a wheel rotates 15 or more times per second at speed. I would suugest these forces would strongly resist such a redistribution, and the correction would occur extremely quickly if such displacement occured in the first place, which I doubt. Further, I would think you'd find users reporting some sort of intermiitent vibration or wobble if your scenario were to occur, and I've never seen anyone mention this in the many dozens of reviews I've read.

Those who have chosen to respond with constructive criticism of the bead system on this thread seem to fall into 3 categories. One is a general concern about practical elements like warranty coverage, or I'm happy with static balancing- why try something suspect, etc.  Secondly there are guys who just cannot fathom and/or deny the technology- you guys need look no further than the Centramatic video. As I have said, this technology is not new, and the principle of inertial balancing has been used by truckers and others for many years. Third are the smaller group who might accept the technology, but don't think the tiny little beads will be an effective application of that technology.

I am as skeptical as the next guy, more than most actually. 15 years ago I never would have tried the beads.... they just sound "gimmicky". Today, however, we are in an age where information is so amazingly available online. It was on a forum like this that I first heard about Dyna and began to investigate. My goal in this thread is just to disseminate what my experience ( and the experience of so many others) has been so this information can be shared on this forum and people can have an intelligent alternative for wheel balancing.
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2011, 05:00:45 PM »
Where's the vid Coach..?
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2011, 05:03:56 PM »
Where's the vid Coach..?
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2011, 05:34:00 PM »
The thing i dislike about that video is that in the strobe pics that wheel looks completely stationary, now i have seen many strobe demonstrations and you can usually see the wheel rotation or even the wheel will appear to be going in the opposite direction, that looks like its completely stationary...Just saying...

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2011, 05:40:52 PM »
The thing i dislike about that video is that in the strobe pics that wheel looks completely stationary, now i have seen many strobe demonstrations and you can usually see the wheel rotation or even the wheel will appear to be going in the opposite direction, that looks like its completely stationary...Just saying...

Strobe light on a wheel...

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Could be that the electric motor and small wheel provides for a more stable rotational pattern compared to an automobile tire. With stability and constant speed, it's just a matter of matching the strobe to the period of rotation of the tire.


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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2011, 05:51:16 PM »
At 2:59/3:00 he says that he's going to freeze frame it.
Why or whatever that means I don't know.
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2011, 06:00:25 PM »
The thing i dislike about that video is that in the strobe pics that wheel looks completely stationary, now i have seen many strobe demonstrations and you can usually see the wheel rotation or even the wheel will appear to be going in the opposite direction, that looks like its completely stationary...Just saying...

Strobe light on a wheel...

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Could be that the electric motor and small wheel provides for a more stable rotational pattern compared to an automobile tire. With stability and constant speed, it's just a matter of matching the strobe to the period of rotation of the tire.

Interesting, i assumed that a balanced wheel was a balanced wheel.....  First vid looks too still to me.... Never seen a strobe stop movement dead in its place... ;)
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2011, 06:01:13 PM »
The thing i dislike about that video is that in the strobe pics that wheel looks completely stationary, now i have seen many strobe demonstrations and you can usually see the wheel rotation or even the wheel will appear to be going in the opposite direction, that looks like its completely stationary...Just saying...

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The video you posted is what a wheel looks like with a strobe light that's not set to the correct frequency to match its rotation. 

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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2011, 06:08:15 PM »
You think.? He appears to touch the wheel in the demo with absolutely no movement of the finger to suggest rotation....  It looks too still, and it is on the Internet.... ;D
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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2011, 06:09:37 PM »
The thing i dislike about that video is that in the strobe pics that wheel looks completely stationary, now i have seen many strobe demonstrations and you can usually see the wheel rotation or even the wheel will appear to be going in the opposite direction, that looks like its completely stationary...Just saying...

Strobe light on a wheel...

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The video you posted is what a wheel looks like with a strobe light that's not set to the correct frequency to match its rotation.

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Re: Dyna beads evaluation
« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2011, 06:12:24 PM »
Yea, there's nothing to suggest that video is fake. Pretty trivial to set the strobe frequency to be the same as the frequency of the wheel's rotation... Especially since his finger is moving.
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