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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 06:21:56 AM »
Seafoam in a bucket, piston crowns down in said bucket, seal bucket, come back in the morning, and they'll wipe clean.  Works with heads too.  Use it all of the time.

What does a "bucket" of seafoam cost?  They get $9.00 a bottle locally.

I don't think he meant a full "bucket" of seafoam, but a just a regular bucket to hold it.  You only have to cover the carbony sections (top) in the stuff right?
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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2011, 06:27:57 AM »
If the engine is STUCK and still complete with the head on, remove the plugs, pour a couple of ounces in each cylinder and let it SIT!!! Hopefully this engine is still in the frame , it make the process a lot easier to unstick it. The KICKSTARTER will NOT give you enough mechanical advantage to try and spin the engine.
Put the engine in second or higher gear and rock it forward (LEAVE THE PLUGS OUT!) About every 4 or 5 days repeat again and some more SEA FOAM to the cylinders when it breaks loose you'll KNOW ,it will shoot the SEA FOAM in the cylinders across the room..
No one has asked , How long has this engine been sitting locked and was the plugs out allowing water to get in???

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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2011, 06:32:36 AM »
No one has asked , How long has this engine been sitting locked and was the plugs out allowing water to get in???

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2011, 06:39:17 AM »
Seafoam in a bucket, piston crowns down in said bucket, seal bucket, come back in the morning, and they'll wipe clean.  Works with heads too.  Use it all of the time.

What does a "bucket" of seafoam cost?  They get $9.00 a bottle locally.

I don't think he meant a full "bucket" of seafoam, but a just a regular bucket to hold it.  You only have to cover the carbony sections (top) in the stuff right?

Exactly.  You only need about 1/2 to 3/4 inch.  You have to put the lid on it because that stuff will evaporate.  It oes work great though.

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 07:09:54 AM »
Chewie,

The water trick works in a running engine for light deposits. Just use a spray bottle on mist and you won't have to worry about hydrolock.

A really experienced Honda Mechanic from the Old Days who used to work at Pete's Cycle in Md. told me this trick.

If the engine is in the frame and runs, remove the airbox, remove the rubber bellmouths from the airbox and re-install them on the carbs.
Warm the engine up, and using a tea/soup spoon as a measure and scoop, throw a spoonful of UNCOOKED rice in a carb's bellmouth while holding revs at about 3K.
Do this a few times for each carb, blipping the throttle occasionally to clear the pipe!
When you can see shiny aluminum through the plug hole, you're done.
Take a shop vac, put it on your tailpipe(s), and rotate the engine by hand to allow each cylinders valves to overlap so the vac can suck any remaining rice out.
Put everything back together.
The rice is softer than the steel and aluminum, so no damage is done as long as you keep the amount of rice on each "toss" down. There is a very real danger of bending rods due to ricelocking if you are not careful.


Here is a method I personally have experience with, that works rather well. I learned it from our four-wheeled Honda brothers at CRX-Perf.org.
Cut four 1 foot pieces of coathanger or other stiff wire. All 4 pieces need to be of an identical length.
Pull all four plugs.
Take your wire pieces and put 1 in each plug hole.
Rotate engine by hand until all four wires line up, meaning your pistons are all at the same level relative to each other.i.e. at the center of the cylinder.
Remove wire, fill each cylinder with ATF, yes, just plain old ATF, and let soak. Heavier deposits require longer soaks of course, but most people just let it sit overnight. I did 24 hours on my CRX.
Using a vac or siphon or whatever, drain all 4 cylinders as thoroughly as you can! The next step will be less messy.
Leaving the kill-switch off, crank the engine for several seconds at a time, blowing the cylinders clean. You can pack shop rags or paper towels over each plug to soak up what comes out, but you will need to weigh or wire them down as your engine will blow them out.
When hardly to no ATF appears to be blown out, re-install the plugs.

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It is my experience that 750 clutches do not like ATF. The organics tend to swell and lock the clutch!
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Start the engine and run her until she stops smoking.
You are done.

Of course, if you are tearing down the engines anyway, then you just make a shallow cup out of tin foil and soak each piston upside down until the carbon comes off. No need to worry about evaporating with ATF either.


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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2011, 08:52:12 AM »
I have in-depth KOWLEDGE of what a HYDRO-LOCK is , I spent 40+ years as an aircraft mechanic specializing in "WAIT FOR IT"  Hydraulics.  YES I agree it COULD happen ,but you would have to FILL the compression area capacity. The water turns to STEAM in a hot engine.
This situation changed completely when he said the engine was STUCK. USE THE SEAFOAM. or the ATF and acetone, either will work fine to help break it loose.

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The compression area on these engines is only 23cc, anything more than that and you can hydrolock the engine. Steam turns back to water when compressed, so much of the water that does turn to steam will turn back into water in the compression stroke. I have seen plenty of bent/broken cranks and rods from people puting water in their intake.

I would not suggest ever using anything other than a spritzer to get water into the engine. On cars with the barrel style intake manifolds you can get away with pouring it in since the water sits on the bottom of the manifold and is slowly sucked up, but on an intake like these bikes have the water you pour in will go straight to the cylinder.
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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2011, 10:30:26 AM »
the cbx"es broke/bent rods vhen gas leaked in ´the silenders..and then hydro loked the piston..have never tryed it..
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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2011, 06:31:24 PM »
+1 on rotortiller idea since it includes beer!!  I mean how can you expect to be a zen master of motorcycles if your not a womanizing fist throwing Redneck.  Bet his name is Zed and he is from Arkansas or Missouri.  Not so sure about the spray pattern I think 1 or 2 Gallons of PBR would hydolock a Carnival Cruise Ship!  It's it be worth it to be a Honda Zen master.  Sign me up!!

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2011, 10:13:01 PM »
I know it sounds crazy but a drag racer I knew back in the 70s told me his method. I had an old crappy Renault that would run on for 10 minutes after switching off. He told me to remove the air filter, start the motor and pour water into the carb! He swore that water would disolove the carbon buildup quicker than anything else. He said white smoke would pour from the exhaust but assured me that it would clean the carbon off. I have to say that I never had the nerve to try it, sold the POS instead.

I've seen this done many times by an old auto mechanic years ago on '70's GM cars. I worked at the shop part time when I was going to school.  We would always stop working and watch in anticipation of seeing an engine blow up because he would have to rev the hell out of the engine to keep it running when he poured the water down the carb. This old man either knew what he was doing or was really lucky because it always worked. I'm sure he charged the customers for more than just a drink of water, but hey it got the job done. I've never had the guts to try it either even after seeing it work.

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2011, 11:53:52 PM »
i have opend many engines with broken head gasket..the piston on the bad cilenders are alvays total klean..from the steam ..
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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2011, 04:18:58 AM »
My thoughts exactly, I've opened many engines in my life due to blown head gaskets and the top of the pistons were completely CLEAN due to the STEAM CLEANING.
 I thought we were talking about a cb750cc engine here .I guess us REDNECKS are better at math ,because if you divide 736cc by 4=184cc per cylinder and I know that this IS the measurement of the combustion chamber with piston a TDC.
Since the product SEA FOAM was mentioned for cleaning a RUNNING engine READ the directions on how it is applied!!  NO WARNING ON THE LABEL ABOUT A POSSIBLE HYDROLOCK!!! I WONDER WHY!!
You could always use some WD-40, RIDDLE ME THIS .WHAT DOES THE WD STAND FOR???

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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2011, 05:29:35 AM »
I thought we were talking about a cb750cc engine here .I guess us REDNECKS are better at math ,because if you divide 736cc by 4=184cc per cylinder and I know that this IS the measurement of the combustion chamber with piston a TDC.

Are you sure about this? You might want to look up how engine displacement works. 184cc is the difference in volume between TDC and BDC. The volume at TDC on these engines is around 22-23cc.

Since the product SEA FOAM was mentioned for cleaning a RUNNING engine READ the directions on how it is applied!!  NO WARNING ON THE LABEL ABOUT A POSSIBLE HYDROLOCK!!! I WONDER WHY!!
You could always use some WD-40, RIDDLE ME THIS .WHAT DOES THE WD STAND FOR???

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I have seen engines hydrolocked from seafoam before, there are warnings on the bottle about this as well. I am assuming you have read the bottle. This is the direct quote from the first question on Seafoam's FAQ page:


"Using Sea Foam® through a vacuum line is easy and safe if you remember one thing. Liquids don’t compress and can cause an engine to hydro lock if too much liquid is applied. Always regulate the rate at which Sea Foam® goes into the engine. Never insert the vacuum line into the bottle of Sea Foam®, always pour Sea Foam® slowly into the vacuum line."


 As I said, you can pour liquid into the intake on most cars because of the way the intake is set up, the barrel style intake manifolds that many cars have do not allow liquid to flow right into the intake runner. If your engine is not set up like this then you need to suck it into the vacuum tube to control the amount going into the engine (as the seafoam bottle suggests).

The WD stands for water displacer, but I'm not sure what that has to do with this topic at all.
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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2011, 06:33:26 AM »
I stand corrected !!I guess that's why it's called DISPLACEMENT.
The amount of volume in a cylinder from TDC to BDC x4 for the SOHC 750!  I thought you could find the displacement by bringing the piston to TDC and filling that cavity with a MEASURED amount of fluid. I BOW to you ,

I was just wondering if anyone really KNEW what the WD stood for , I've used it on WET distributor caps to remove all the moister.

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Re: Dissolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2011, 06:45:02 AM »
I stand corrected !!I guess that's why it's called DISPLACEMENT.
The amount of volume in a cylinder from TDC to BDC x4 for the SOHC 750!  I thought you could find the displacement by bringing the piston to TDC and filling that cavity with a MEASURED amount of fluid. I BOW to you ,

I was just wondering if anyone really KNEW what the WD stood for , I've used it on WET distributor caps to remove all the moister.

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Wow this thread has gone wayout in left field form the original topic!!
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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2011, 04:41:37 PM »
WD-40 is mostly kerosene. With water you are creating steam to blast the carbon off. Back in the early 80's carbon build up was a big problem in most all cars.

When you talk about rice BMW had a machine that blasted walnut shells into the cylinder and suck them out. It was such a pain in the ass to use the machine since you had to remove a manifold. They did what the Germans did, they used water. ;D

Rice and other things were done in my Grandfathers time. It worked.

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2011, 05:06:56 AM »
If we are considering using rice...what do the Harley riders use to clean out their combustion chambers ?  (trick question)
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2011, 05:53:12 AM »
I've got a mate who owns a Caterpillar Grader, anyway, if the cylinders glaze up, there is some Cat brand abrasive powder that he tips into the air cleaner tube, and it blows all the carbon and crap out the exhaust. The instruction manual says that if he runs out of their special abrasive powder to just use Bon Ami or similar.

I tried it on my 750 just sprinkling some Bon Ami into the carbs bellmouths with a teaspoon but it didn't do much, not that my cylinders were glazed anyways, as I'd only rebuilt it a year prior, I just wanted to try it. That was a few years ago, I might try it again and see if it chucks a heap of soot out of the exhaust this time. I've tried the water trick in cars and bikes and it works well. I just use a trigger type spray bottle. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2011, 06:16:05 AM »
If we are considering using rice...what do the Harley riders use to clean out their combustion chambers ?  (trick question)

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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2011, 11:56:26 AM »
The first clinic at MMI is Theory, then, oddly enough, Theory 2 follows that.  Anyway, the instructor told a story of adding a bit of AJAX to the intake to break in a new motor.  Was quite a while ago so I don't remember all the details, but there was sensational talk about a neighborhood wide cloud of smoke.  heh heh

Might be why he was the Theory instructor.   ;D
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Re: Disolve Carbon Build Up on Pistons
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2011, 01:24:34 PM »
I've got a mate who owns a Caterpillar Grader, anyway, if the cylinders glaze up, there is some Cat brand abrasive powder that he tips into the air cleaner tube, and it blows all the carbon and crap out the exhaust. The instruction manual says that if he runs out of their special abrasive powder to just use Bon Ami or similar.

I tried it on my 750 just sprinkling some Bon Ami into the carbs bellmouths with a teaspoon but it didn't do much, not that my cylinders were glazed anyways, as I'd only rebuilt it a year prior, I just wanted to try it. That was a few years ago, I might try it again and see if it chucks a heap of soot out of the exhaust this time. I've tried the water trick in cars and bikes and it works well. I just use a trigger type spray bottle. Cheers, Terry. ;D

i worked at a garden supply years ago and the boss  tried the same thing on a worn out little toyota dyna truck,we got ajax/vim/or bon ami and revved up the thing and trickled the whole pack through it,,man what a dust cloud of #$%* came out,,it made the motor worse,my theory is the honeing or scratches it might leave go up and down not round and round