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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3075 on: February 08, 2019, 10:09:02 am »
Impressive

Do you have any pictures of CNCed blockoff plates.

I assume there will be external oil pump? How is oiling solved ?

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« Reply #3076 on: February 08, 2019, 12:40:27 pm »
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« Reply #3077 on: February 09, 2019, 06:21:27 am »
Impressive

Do you have any pictures of CNCed blockoff plates.

I assume there will be external oil pump? How is oiling solved ?
Large external dry sump pump Mirko. Feed is through the main galley from the oil filter area. Pick up at the back/bottom of the engine. There is a "snorkel" fitting that bolts to the lower backing plate and the lower engine case.
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« Reply #3078 on: February 10, 2019, 08:09:26 am »
Frank, I'll only say Cooper is doing David Collins Top Gas bike...so you figure it out...lol. Oh ,I tried, they wouldn't fit!😎
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3079 on: February 15, 2019, 09:28:56 pm »
Mike,

Just spent most of the evening reading the post after you brought it to my attention.  Unbelievable workmanship I must say!!  There's blueprints and then there's divine intervention ;)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3080 on: May 17, 2019, 02:13:03 pm »
OK guys the AT&SF is in the final stages of building and we are only waiting on the clutch.
here's what I heard from Russ yesterday.

Almost all in GA and the chassis appears to mate up well with the engine pod. I have a pic I can share to follow. The clutch is being rebuilt here by Crower ( I only had a partial Assy as it was raided for the Sorcerer etc) . Plan is to show up in Valdosta with a fairly complete if not running, bike or two.

So that's it guys but in respect of the fact that you haven't been told where it is, well I'm guessing Russ and the guy that has it don't really want people knowing.
The guy doing the work has a business to run and guessing again, he won't want every Tom Dick and Harry going round there asking questions and wanting to see the bike.

Here's a couple of pics of the bike but if you do recognise the workshop, please keep it to yourselves.

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« Reply #3081 on: May 17, 2019, 02:53:42 pm »
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« Reply #3082 on: May 17, 2019, 02:58:25 pm »
Nice Oil Tank ;)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3083 on: May 20, 2019, 08:32:37 am »
On facebook Russ said who's shop it was at.  Guess it is ok to stop by if you know him.
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« Reply #3084 on: May 20, 2019, 01:07:09 pm »
On facebook Russ said who's shop it was at.  Guess it is ok to stop by if you know him.

That was the shop in CA that is doing the Sorcerer, the triple is in Georgia at the 'to remain secret' location.  2 bikes, 2 locations. ;)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3085 on: May 20, 2019, 06:04:51 pm »
On facebook Russ said who's shop it was at.  Guess it is ok to stop by if you know him.

That was the shop in CA that is doing the Sorcerer, the triple is in Georgia at the 'to remain secret' location.  2 bikes, 2 locations. ;)

I guess the opening sentence in the recent facebook post by Russ through me off.    "Continued progress on both Top Fuel bikes at Robert Prayther’s shop."   ???
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3086 on: May 23, 2019, 03:10:14 pm »
On facebook Russ said who's shop it was at.  Guess it is ok to stop by if you know him.

That was the shop in CA that is doing the Sorcerer, the triple is in Georgia at the 'to remain secret' location.  2 bikes, 2 locations. ;)

I guess the opening sentence in the recent facebook post by Russ through me off.    "Continued progress on both Top Fuel bikes at Robert Prayther’s shop."   ???

RP, I can see where you were thrown off, here's the quote from Russ.

Continued progress on both Top Fuel bikes at Robert Prayther’s shop. That intake in the foreground was over -polished...if you will, and we had to correct to achieve adequate sealing for boost and nitro. That Crower clutch is being rebuilt for the Triple from a skeleton that was pirated back in the 70’s to build later bikes....most likely the Sorcerer. People at Crower and Hilborn have been awesome with their time and assistance. Byron Hines has also been very generous with his time as we navigate his incredible work from 40+ yrs ago...not for sissies as my Dad would say. I’ll be traveling to Georgia to assist on the Triple while Robert continues to chip away at Sorcerer...here in San Diego over the next 30 days.

Several people on here know where the AT&SF is in Georgia but we really would appreciate it if people would stop assuming or guessing where it might be. The last thing we want is people going round there wanting to see the bike when the guy that has it is trying to run his business and make a living.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3087 on: June 05, 2019, 11:52:38 pm »
Just shipped some special sorcerer parts yesterday

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« Reply #3088 on: June 06, 2019, 11:09:45 am »
I love seeing pictures of this project(s).


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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3089 on: June 25, 2019, 03:50:09 pm »
OK guys, it's out. Although I did know all this, Russ asked me to keep it quiet until Tom McCarthy released the story.
Tom has come on board because he is a much respected journalist, author and photographer on all things Drag Racing and although I run the RC legacy Motorsports page on Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/groups/451231164982012/ I'm sure Tom will be able to do a much better job.
Here's Tom's article and in the credits at the bottom, we get a mention, it's nice to know we were not forgotten, thanks guys.

https://www.dragbike.com/collins-cooper-past-becoming-future/?fbclid=IwAR3sRoLq4da6sxpQpnV314P2i00x-vZM03RWUXlo-2kdXe69-YInJKUkTrc

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3090 on: June 25, 2019, 08:21:43 pm »
Never forgotten...this where it all started! We will make you all proud and without the moral support from many of you ...this would not have been possible.

A recap of our journey from my shoes:
1. Inherit two basket case bikes of unparalleled technology
2. Personally broke at time with two kids in college
3. Dad died in mid project...takes wind from sails
4. Spend next years mustering support for what would be very expensive endeavor
5. Restart race program on shoe string to “prove we are worthy” ...did just that
6. With enough help...start rebuild with capable and very busy people...some parts ..two years in making with many discussions “that’s impossible” ,
7 call in big guns when closer to reality and here we are...6 yrs later
8 no details but numerous personal tragedies on my side and brother David stepped in to prop this up.

Now let’s kick some ass!

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3091 on: June 26, 2019, 02:22:37 am »
Hey Russell,
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« Reply #3092 on: June 26, 2019, 10:08:37 am »
Never forgotten...this where it all started! We will make you all proud and without the moral support from many of you ...this would not have been possible.

A recap of our journey from my shoes:
1. Inherit two basket case bikes of unparalleled technology
2. Personally broke at time with two kids in college
3. Dad died in mid project...takes wind from sails
4. Spend next years mustering support for what would be very expensive endeavor
5. Restart race program on shoe string to “prove we are worthy” ...did just that
6. With enough help...start rebuild with capable and very busy people...some parts ..two years in making with many discussions “that’s impossible” ,
7 call in big guns when closer to reality and here we are...6 yrs later
8 no details but numerous personal tragedies on my side and brother David stepped in to prop this up.

Now let’s kick some ass!
Nice to see those pics of the triple.....getting real close to finished.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3093 on: June 26, 2019, 10:23:50 am »
Nice to see that you got one of the top credits Mike, well done my friend.

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« Reply #3094 on: June 26, 2019, 10:31:59 am »
I guess the forum as a whole got a mention for their involvement but a guy who was not a member at the time should get a mention, even if only on here.
Don in Ohio who is a member now and goes by the user name DFR came up with the front forks which we were finding very difficult to locate at the time, so if you see this Don, a great big THANK YOU.

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« Reply #3095 on: June 26, 2019, 12:40:42 pm »
Will the Triple and the Sorcerer be ridden as much as they can on the strip?
Or some revs and mild take offs for show only?
Any daredevil that is booked? Best of the best that will win the ticket to ride :)

The bike is a priceless peace of the history and the future. Even those that did not dream about RC parts to their bikes during the 70's and early 80's will say WOW over and over again!!
The sound must be amazing!
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« Reply #3096 on: June 26, 2019, 02:03:22 pm »
Nice to see that you got one of the top credits Mike, well done my friend.

Sam.
Thanks Sam. I don't know what felt better....getting some credit or finally getting those engines out of my shop.  ;D ;D There is another person that deserves a lot of credit but he prefers anonymity. You know who I am talking about brother.  ;) ;D
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3097 on: June 27, 2019, 02:12:13 am »
Will the Triple and the Sorcerer be ridden as much as they can on the strip?
Or some revs and mild take offs for show only?
Any daredevil that is booked? Best of the best that will win the ticket to ride :)

The bike is a priceless peace of the history and the future. Even those that did not dream about RC parts to their bikes during the 70's and early 80's will say WOW over and over again!!
The sound must be amazing!

Yes PeWe, they will both be used for demonstration burn outs only at this stage.
The bikes have cost a small fortune to get to this stage and are much to valuable to be used in anger.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3098 on: June 27, 2019, 02:22:04 am »
That's a good plan. I'm sure the burnout can last 1/4 mile! ;)
Edit: Those bikes must have a rider with Collins written on the leathers to make mission accomplished with the fantastic history of the legend revived, right?
I believe so, seriously. I look forward to see and hear.
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« Reply #3099 on: July 12, 2019, 04:54:34 am »

they will both be used for demonstration burn outs only at this stage.
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