Author Topic: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored (Read 490878 times)

sorcerer · « **Reply #475 on:** March 01, 2012, 10:48:47 PM »

There are choices and then there is the right choice.

I bent 16 valves....not running Jay's cam chain...bad choice.

Jr.

sorcerer · « **Reply #476 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:13:35 PM »

OK... sponsors,

I need mailing addresses for the posters. The following gentlemen please PM me :

Buckley
Hastings
Nold
Griffin
Dison
Debow
Retro Rocket

I have:

Green (holding for will call)
Gage
Oldfield
French
Benton

Also any special wording from my Dad may be included....someone already sent me one and I cannot find it.

I have signed all posters, they are being sent to my Dad and he will personally mail them to each of you.

RC Jr

Jim F · « **Reply #477 on:** March 02, 2012, 05:58:05 AM »

Thanks Jr. and of course Sr.

FuZZie · « **Reply #478 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:48:43 AM »

Very cool Big Jay, I hope you guys will be letting us in on what goodies get to go in, but will understand if you can't

PM'ed you Russ, please don't forget to thank your dad for me!

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #479 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:11:30 AM »

Quote from: sorcerer on March 01, 2012, 10:48:47 PM

There are choices and then there is the right choice.

I bent 16 valves....not running Jay's cam chain...bad choice.

Jr.

NO NO NO!!!!!!! it was the Suzuki that was the bad choise.

Only joking

Sam.

sorcerer · « **Reply #480 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:32:09 PM »

It was on this one that Randy Nelson built for me back in 93...then we picked up NX as a nitrous sponsor and I forgot to go with the good cam chain...that extra 100hp was fun for about 6 runs. Sixty foot times at 1.16 and would carry the wheel through the traps at 170+....fast back then.

RCJr

754 · « **Reply #481 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:04:57 PM »

cool Suzi, has a mitchell PM lightened wheel on the front.. they are fairly light a buddy has one on his Bonneville bike.
Do you know what cams you will run in the triple and the V8 ?, I was surprised that one of them ran a 315, thought it would be hotter than that...

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #482 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:24:22 PM »

Quote from: sorcerer on March 02, 2012, 07:32:09 PM

It was on this one that Randy Nelson built for me back in 93...then we picked up NX as a nitrous sponsor and I forgot to go with the good cam chain...that extra 100hp was fun for about 6 runs. Sixty foot times at 1.16 and would carry the wheel through the traps at 170+....fast back then.

RCJr

Ya just gotta love that seat pad !

sorcerer · « **Reply #483 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:33:19 PM »

Thanks....loved the chassis on this (all MDR) and PM was helping out also...PM everything...ultra light for sure. I did some consulting at PM, teaching Statistical Process Control to the machine programmers back then and traded for parts.

I won't be second guessing my Dad's tune up so I'll stick with the 315's on the double and I have no idea what the triple is running....obviously bigger, being NA motors. My Dad said the triple motors were pretty well maxed out in flow , compression, timing etc...running 90% as well. I'll be backing those down a bit for exhibition but the Sorcerer will be pretty close to race set up...it was very reliable....same cranks for over a decade, just burned some pistons in the beginning. I Have some blower pulley choices to consider...really do not want to kick a rod out so I'll be conservative (funny word for the Sorcerer).

cbr954 · « **Reply #484 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »

Are the triple engines being rebuilt? You could auction the old pistons off to raise some more funds, that would be a pretty cool mantel/conversation piece!! Are you going to document these bike builds in a book or a video of some sort?

754 · « **Reply #485 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:08:46 PM »

Yeah you could get some serious bux for some grenaded engine parts if they came with COA.. Certificate of Authenticity

There is a local hi-tech firm here I built some small machined parts for , he built a hardness tester for apples.. with SPC.. no sh!t !!

JR did you see the Ascot Renion thread in open? bet you had to have been there a few times..

There was a member on here a year or two back, his wifes father worked at RC Eng, back in the day be damned if I can remeber who that was,,,

I remember asking him to try to find out if RC used torque plates, when boring the big 750 bigbore barrels..

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #486 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:45:39 PM »

Quote from: cbr954 on March 02, 2012, 08:51:25 PM

Are the triple engines being rebuilt? You could auction the old pistons off to raise some more funds, that would be a pretty cool mantel/conversation piece!! Are you going to document these bike builds in a book or a video of some sort?

Oh hell ya !

Used parts for sale !

Video/cd for sale ! A biography book about R.C. SR. and R.C. JR. with the dragbikes, maybe a mention of us who helped a little bit.

Lot's of shirts for sale here and at the race tracks !

Lot's of possibility's !!

sorcerer · « **Reply #487 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:49:03 PM »

I believe they did use torque plates....

My Dad was well connected with the high end car guys in LA and he employed all of the best technology that was available and designed and built what was not available, including a home made dyno that used a very large ...I think, meat scale..strange but true.

He is still building flow benches for fuel injection studies and sells them to to the OEM's Engineering types.....If you want to measure it ..he can build it. He doesn't use meat scales anymore...he is a computer nerd!

On the rebuild question.....All the motors will be rebuilt as needed to be very reliable. We will be making paid appearances and reliability will take front burner over outright performance. We won't be setting records but we can sure put on a heck of good show.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #488 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:55:47 PM »

Man, i need a time out ! I've been all over Europe looking for the elusive CERIANI front end !

Of all of the things that i have lost in life.... I miss my mind the most !

sorcerer · « **Reply #489 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:27:34 PM »

http://yoshisgarage.com/parts

Check this shop out 1.5 hrs north of me!

RCjr

mick7504 · « **Reply #490 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:34:24 PM »

I believe that there is good news on the horizon with the front end.
Stay tuned.

Jr is sure to update us.

754 · « **Reply #491 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:57:33 PM »

C.R. Axtell I think had a dyno in the early 70s that had a huge circular dial on it, I remember it from the old Peterson M/C quarterly or yearly books.. all the techs had flat-top haircuts and probably had a Triumph or matchless desert sled ...lol..and all their shiny metal toys were kept in a toolboxes, not ...
dangling out of their ears and noses...

Big Jay · « **Reply #492 on:** March 02, 2012, 11:59:01 PM »

Quote from: sorcerer on March 02, 2012, 10:27:34 PM

http://yoshisgarage.com/parts

Check this shop out 1.5 hrs north of me!

RCjr

Good folks down at The Garage Co.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #493 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:11:29 AM »

Quote from: sorcerer on March 02, 2012, 10:27:34 PM

http://yoshisgarage.com/parts

Check this shop out 1.5 hrs north of me!

RCjr

Hey ! Photo #63 has a Ceriani front end in it !! It's on the right side of the photo !

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #494 on:** March 03, 2012, 04:17:38 PM »

Just in case the tubes you find are pitted...........I have a local Milwaukee machine and hydraulics shop that can cylinder-grind the tubes and hard-chrome the surfaces back to stock 35mm. The original hard-chrome was about .001 - the reconditioned Ceriani tubes now have .020 of perfect hard-chrome. The're going on my freind's A65 Road Racer. Not cheap.......but affordable.

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #495 on:** March 03, 2012, 04:21:27 PM »

I believe the Triple ran 327's! A litte bit hotter!

Rcjr we can add Joe H.of Joes Motos to sponsorship list as soon as his funds clear.Mon-Tues.Joe's been around,(worked for George Bryce and Paul Gast)...and me too! Oh that don't count huh?

Anyway He's good for at least one,maybe more! Thanks,Joe and get back to the big A for November @ Valdosta!! 8)Bill
I want a Triple piston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably made more sense to use 315's on Socerer cause it was supercharged.

sorcerer · « **Reply #496 on:** March 03, 2012, 06:33:13 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on March 03, 2012, 12:11:29 AM

Quote from: sorcerer on March 02, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
http://yoshisgarage.com/parts

Check this shop out 1.5 hrs north of me!

RCjr
Hey ! Photo #63 has a Ceriani front end in it !! It's on the right side of the photo !

Found the forks....now I just need a "sick day" to go pick them up. Of course I'll believe it when I have them in my truck...but apparently someone has been collecting these...a lot of these to be exact. I might even have two sources...both in LA.

OBTW...that dirt tracker with the forks we need, sold for a song...just a few hundred over the value of the front end...sort of like a scene from Antiques Road Show!

You guys have been awesome on the shopping...and I have bookmarked all the links. I just have to stay off those sites until these fuelers are done....their like candy stores...especially the dirt track stuff. I spent many nights at Ascot with my Dad and would love to have one of those bikes in the stable...but I have remained married for 30yrs and do not not want to alter that status.

Randy at MDR has placed the order for the chrome molly tubing for the chassis....he is on a mission!

Jr.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #497 on:** March 03, 2012, 06:41:55 PM »

That's great news JR.

I was hoping that the forks would be found soon.

Still have my fingers crossed for ya !! I posted on DRAGBIKE.COM that we were looking for a Ceriani front end. I'll leave it up until you definitly have the front end in your hands.

JON G.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #498 on:** March 03, 2012, 07:06:57 PM »

Hey JR. I have been contacted by a member over at DRAGBIKE.COM that say's he's pretty sure that he has a complete CERIANI front end stashed in his garage. He's gonna check and let me know ,so if your deal falls through we might have another one in the works.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #499 on:** March 03, 2012, 07:28:22 PM »

Jon, i have come to the conclusion that somehow you now live in this thread...

Russ may have to charge you rent and put that towards the build...

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Author Topic: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored (Read 490878 times)