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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2925 on: June 12, 2017, 10:32:36 AM »
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2926 on: June 12, 2017, 10:48:41 AM »
is this site finished ???

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Still working hard on it Don, aren't we Mike,  ;D ;D ;D

Mike is working on the motors Don and then it is assembly time. Assembly of all the refurbished parts including your front forks my friend. It's going to look awesome.

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« Reply #2927 on: June 12, 2017, 11:50:14 AM »
is this site finished ???

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Still working hard on it Don, aren't we Mike,  ;D ;D ;D

Mike is working on the motors Don and then it is assembly time. Assembly of all the refurbished parts including your front forks my friend. It's going to look awesome.

Sam. ;)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2928 on: June 12, 2017, 12:45:35 PM »
I'm sure that there are many that are very eager to hear the triple beast!  That event must be advertised in time before.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2929 on: June 13, 2017, 12:47:59 PM »
It will be posted on here and on our Facebook page when it is nearing the completed stage PeWe.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2930 on: June 13, 2017, 05:59:08 PM »
Sam and All

Thanks for the updates. Tried to keep up on Facebook but my skills are minimal at best. As for the front forks, I was just lucky to have them and able to help. Now they have a new home. Hope to see them go down the track.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2931 on: July 26, 2017, 02:18:58 PM »
People were bemoaning a few months ago that we were no longer making 15mm tool steel wrist pins. The market just didn't support it. 

Well we just received rods and pistons from Racer Machine for the RC Sorcerer. They need pins.  So here's a heads up. We are making a short run of them along with the batch of Harley® top fuel pins we are currently running.

THere will be several sets left over. They will be sold on a first come, first serve basis.   Get to the phone ASAP.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2932 on: August 05, 2017, 08:12:17 PM »
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2933 on: September 08, 2017, 01:04:28 PM »



Sometimes I get to work and think…."I'll just work on RC Eng resto stuff today.

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« Reply #2934 on: September 08, 2017, 02:14:20 PM »



Sometimes I get to work and think…."I'll just work on RC Eng resto stuff today.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2935 on: September 11, 2017, 04:50:26 AM »
Pushing 6 years now - cannot wait to see the end results. Still amazed by the original creativity of these machines.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2936 on: September 11, 2017, 01:02:45 PM »
I want to hear it! The sound must be fantastic! Be there would be something when happening ::)
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2937 on: September 23, 2017, 09:05:33 PM »

CP / Carrillo stepped up in a big way and made some nitro / blower pistons for the Sorcerer. These things are awesome. Look just like small funny car pistons, including the latest coating used in the fuelers.
Russ knocked out of the park when he choose CP / Carrillo for the pistons for this restoration.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2938 on: September 24, 2017, 11:59:21 AM »

CP / Carrillo stepped up in a big way and made some nitro / blower pistons for the Sorcerer. These things are awesome. Look just like small funny car pistons, including the latest coating used in the fuelers.


Look great.  What size?
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2939 on: September 24, 2017, 01:47:03 PM »



Sometimes I get to work and think…."I'll just work on RC Eng resto stuff today.
Like Jurassic Park...waking up the old monsters again!
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2940 on: September 25, 2017, 02:37:44 AM »

CP / Carrillo stepped up in a big way and made some nitro / blower pistons for the Sorcerer. These things are awesome. Look just like small funny car pistons, including the latest coating used in the fuelers.
Russ knocked out of the park when he choose CP / Carrillo for the pistons for this restoration.

Is the coating just Teflon Jay ?
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2941 on: November 21, 2017, 10:21:15 AM »
Just wanted to wish everyone a HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2942 on: November 23, 2017, 07:26:33 AM »
And all the best to you Don.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2943 on: November 23, 2017, 11:52:50 PM »
 The coating looks to be "Hard Anodizing" and is not actually a coating but a treatment but it adds around .002" to the diameter but is ignored for any clearance measurement (piston the bore) It is very helpful in the ring lands and assists seal and endurance.  It is also the best surface prep for any subsequent coatings used.

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« Reply #2944 on: November 24, 2017, 01:33:04 PM »
Cap'm how can the the extra 0.002" be ignored in cylinder clearance?

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2945 on: November 24, 2017, 03:48:52 PM »
I think you will find that anodizing adds microns not thousandths of an inch, or so I was told, that would make more sense for ignoring it for boring reasons.
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« Reply #2946 on: November 24, 2017, 03:55:32 PM »
Here you go guys, it's above me but maybe you will make more of it.

http://metalfinishingsltd.co.uk/articles/anodising-dimensions/
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2947 on: November 24, 2017, 04:05:41 PM »
I think you will find that anodizing adds microns not thousandths of an inch, or so I was told, that would make more sense for ignoring it for boring reasons.
Normally you would be correct but not with "Hard Anodising" is another matter. The build instructions as given to me by my piston supplier is to "deduct" .002" (not microns) from the measured piston diameter and finish at that. So if you would normally run .003" with an untreated piston then with a Hard Anodised your figure is .001'   This is what I run (long story another day about hot honing etc.) but the end result is very much performance and seal at sustained RPM (road racing). This only applies to NA on gasoline and the clearances are greater for alcohol and blown engines. 
 Sounds strange perhaps but these are the facts and I have first instance experience on it and with the very pistons shown on my post.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2948 on: November 24, 2017, 04:07:35 PM »
Ok guys, I've just remembered where I heard how little difference anodizing makes and we are on the right thread for it.
Keith (KMB) built the rear hub for the bike and anodizing was talked about, I'll message keith and ask him to look in.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #2949 on: November 24, 2017, 07:29:21 PM »
Ok guys, I've just remembered where I heard how little difference anodizing makes and we are on the right thread for it.
Keith (KMB) built the rear hub for the bike and anodizing was talked about, I'll message keith and ask him to look in.

Sammie, you're putting me on the hot seat! I am no anodizing expert but I'll share what I think I know.

There are several types of anodizing processes and they use different parameters depending on the desired results. The hard anodizing that Brent is talking about is commonly referred to in the USA as Type III Hardcoat. As he mentioned, it is really a treatment versus a coating although there is a buildup. Type III Hardcoat anodizing is a process that forms an extremely hard, abrasion resistant, porous oxide layer on aluminum. It is performed in a sulfuric acid bath at a temperature controlled between 28-32º F. The power supply is DC and is applied with a fairly high current density - usually 24-30 amps per square foot of surface area. The aluminum part being anodized is the anode or positive pole in the DC system. Current is applied to the system for a prescribed time, and at the desired current density to achieve the oxide thickness required. The oxide thickness per surface can typically range from .0007-.003", .7-3mils, 18µ-75µ. Higher thicknesses can be achieved depending on the aluminum alloy being treated. The treated layer is 50% infused into the material - so half in and half out.

The tricky part is finding an anodizing company that can control their process very predictably. Especially when final dimensions are in the .001-.002" range. You have to find a coater that is very confident in controlling their layer thickness and machine the parts over or under accordingly. These were the issues I was dealing with in the rear wheel on the Triple. We were trying to hold final dimensions tighter than .001". This is usually not a big deal where pistons are concerned since the cylinders are bored according to piston size.

Cap'm how can the the extra 0.002" be ignored in cylinder clearance?

It cannot. The cylinders have to be bored to desired clearances depending on the final treated piston size. I will not speak for Brent but I read him to say you can run tighter piston to cylinder clearances with hard anodized pistons than you can with untreated pistons.