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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3175 on: December 08, 2022, 02:32:32 AM »
I spent a good deal of time conversing with one of the principles working on this project. He shared lots of pictures and explained the process of rebuilding this beast without an actual plan set or blueprints. They're working strictly from pictures supplied by numerous enthusiasts including some here on this forum. As we can all imagine, the pieces and part for this bike were originally all "one off" pieces. They've had to recreate just about everything from sight only. He talked about painstaking task of building the exhaust pipes. Imagine having to custom bend 12 pipes in order to mimic the original look. The time that went into just this simple part of the puzzle was  extensive and required a lot of tubing. Some of which was wasted when trying to get things to look, and fit, "just right". I commend these gentlemen for their dedication to this project. You have to be a visionary to follow a path blazed decades ago. Thinking outside the box is an understatement fir this job.

Spot on J Frankie, It's been a long ride starting in Dec 2011.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3176 on: March 17, 2023, 03:07:07 AM »
Ok guys, this was posted by young Russ on Facebook over night.

Ok folks….all is well FINALLY, everything you see here fits and works. I turned this back over to Robert Prayther … consummate fab guy for final assembly. Great freind and luckily right down the road. Those are two fresh bullets, a Littlefield rebuilt blower and Crower rebuilt clutch to a sano B&J 2 speed providing power to a freshened up roller…very exciting times.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3177 on: March 17, 2023, 06:58:25 AM »
Looks amazing!  Thx for posting, Sam.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3178 on: March 17, 2023, 02:06:52 PM »
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3179 on: March 18, 2023, 03:29:30 AM »
Look fantastic despite "only" 2 engines! ;)
Even a person that is not technically minded must get a tingling feeling when looking at that photo! ;D

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3180 on: March 18, 2023, 06:55:37 PM »
Ok guys, this was posted by young Russ on Facebook over night.

Ok folks….all is well FINALLY, everything you see here fits and works. I turned this back over to Robert Prayther … consummate fab guy for final assembly. Great freind and luckily right down the road. Those are two fresh bullets, a Littlefield rebuilt blower and Crower rebuilt clutch to a sano B&J 2 speed providing power to a freshened up roller…very exciting times.



Does the rear engine turn backwards? Or is there something we can’t see on the other side.?
Is the other side top secret…?

When do you expect to smell it running..? 😜😁
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3181 on: March 19, 2023, 06:45:22 AM »
Does the rear engine turn backwards?

On the Sorcerer both cranks rotates as normal, only the rear head is turned around and must use a reverse profile cam.
Pretty clever especially for it's time. 

On our reverse-headed Kawi TF bike the cam chain is driven 'backwards' by an idler gear off the crank, thereby providing a true reverse rotation of the top end so standard rotation cams can be used.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3182 on: March 19, 2023, 10:41:00 AM »
Does the rear engine turn backwards?

On the Sorcerer both cranks rotates as normal, only the rear head is turned around and must use a reverse profile cam.
Pretty clever especially for it's time. 

On our reverse-headed Kawi TF bike the cam chain is driven 'backwards' by an idler gear off the crank, thereby providing a true reverse rotation of the top end so standard rotation cams can be used.

Well done…😁

Sounds like you guys have been blessed with a lot of old school engineering. Smokey Yunick type. 😇
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3183 on: April 29, 2023, 08:50:37 AM »
All the cool kids are wearing them!
With the restorations getting close to the final stages, Holeshot Performance’s Dale Walker joined the NitroHunter in showing off their RC pride at last weekends California Nationals - Western Pro Extreme event in Redding. Nothing like some celebrity endorsement.  ::)
FYI Facebook has the most recent photos of both bikes progress. I’m still working behind the scenes on some product sponsorship.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3184 on: May 04, 2023, 12:47:05 PM »
Here's one of the pictures seen on my Facebook, RC Legacy Motorsports page that Robbie (Nitro Hunter) mentioned above.
 Both the Top Fuel Bikes are back with Russ Jnr in CA.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3185 on: May 04, 2023, 02:08:56 PM »
Thanks for the info, Sam.   Here is a link to Sam's fb page...


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« Reply #3186 on: May 04, 2023, 02:17:18 PM »
Cool stuff,thanks sam

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3187 on: August 13, 2023, 01:14:57 AM »
Saturday morning with my church brethren…
Our Pastor Bill Trok gave us the venue at Ridgeview and I could not be more pleased to share , for the first time since 1983 …this icon.
Randy Nelson spoke very kindly of what my Dad and this effort created in our crazy sport of Motorcycle  Drag Racing. Randy is a legend is own right…those who know, know.
Thanks to Robert Prayther and Corbin Smith for this last push.
The Triple is right behind….stay tuned.

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« Reply #3188 on: August 13, 2023, 03:52:48 AM »
Vwry cool sam

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3189 on: August 14, 2023, 12:52:28 PM »
Please keep us posted
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3190 on: August 21, 2023, 02:55:22 AM »
Looking ready to make some noise. Young Russ on the Sorcerer.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3191 on: August 21, 2023, 05:41:44 AM »
Looking ready to make some noise. Young Russ on the Sorcerer.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3192 on: August 21, 2023, 07:56:56 AM »
The entire HONDA SOHC WORLD is smilling along with Russ ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3193 on: August 21, 2023, 11:24:18 AM »
This has been such a long time coming to reach this point of beautiful display, how great it is to see! Everyone who contributed in every baby step along the way, from tee shirts purchases to big parts, we can all feel proud it's to this point. Thanks for posting Sam.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3194 on: August 30, 2023, 08:36:46 AM »
This has been such a long time coming to reach this point of beautiful display, how great it is to see! Everyone who contributed in every baby step along the way, from tee shirts purchases to big parts, we can all feel proud it's to this point. Thanks for posting Sam.

Robbie, talk about the purchase of big parts, here's a picture of my back wheel with the hub, disc and sprocket that Keith made.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3195 on: August 31, 2023, 08:06:02 AM »
Wow Sam yet another example of the amazing talent so many have lent to this labor of love.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3196 on: September 09, 2023, 01:40:23 PM »
Do you think 3 CB750 motors will fit in this shiny new frame ?
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« Reply #3197 on: September 09, 2023, 07:13:47 PM »
Looks long enough for my untrained eye. Hows things Sam ?
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3198 on: September 10, 2023, 03:41:35 PM »
Can they replace the valve cover gaskets with the engines in the frame?  ;D
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3199 on: September 12, 2023, 08:34:58 AM »
Bling! That nickle plated frame is gorgeous. 
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