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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3225 on: June 08, 2024, 03:34:16 PM »
 Thanks Robbie, what I was thinking, a friend had a 392 that Garlits helped them put the new blower on at Cordova, they promptly knocked the side out of a cylinder after forgetting to back it off. The piston stayed in the hole, and you could see it going up and down.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3226 on: June 08, 2024, 03:34:56 PM »
 Sorcerer made noise, I saw it on F/B reels.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3227 on: June 08, 2024, 04:17:11 PM »
And what a noise it is!
If it works good, it looks good...

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3228 on: June 09, 2024, 02:36:52 AM »
Sorcerer made noise, I saw it on F/B reels.

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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3229 on: June 09, 2024, 06:08:09 AM »
What an incredible moment!  :)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3230 on: June 09, 2024, 08:11:52 AM »
Incredible to see!
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3231 on: June 09, 2024, 10:40:37 AM »
 I know there are guys here that were a part of one or all of the RC projects. You should all be proud, this is just the first result of your input of knowledge and parts. 
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3232 on: June 09, 2024, 11:19:21 AM »
The initial fire up was an awesome success! Great job to everyone involved!
A note of interest here, for this first fire it used two separate fuel related systems, one being 41 years old, and one being a new addition. And the nitro system hasn't even come into play yet.

As you have seen on TV, the starting line procedure for a Top Fuel car is pretty strait forward: open the injector butterflies, squirt in a shot of gasoline which (thanks to gravity) runs down into the blower, close the injector blades, open the fuel pump shutoff, and hit the starter. Pull the mag ground clips and things happen. In those few seconds the engine runs on gasoline, the fuel pump has nitro pumped into the injector lines and you can hear the difference in the running sound as it takes over.

BUT the Sorcerer has its blower mounted upside down with the intake manifold above, and the injector underneath, it's defying gravity now, so how to get that initial charge of gasoline in for the lite off? And how can it stay running for an extended warmup without running on nitro?

Here is where the genius of Sr, Byron, and their many collaborators shows yet again.
They incorporated a very small pressurized gasoline section into the frame, on spinning the starter the valve is opened and gas squirted through the injector lines for firing, just enough for the engines to start and nitro to take over. Very clever.

But now we're looking at the initial fireup of a 41 year old machine that's been through 12 years of countless manhours of restoration, everything needs to be checked out, the brief run time provided by its gasoline starting circuit puts very little heat into the head, and quite frankly everyone's a little apprehensive of that first nitro pop.

So a plan was devised to run the engines on alcohol for an extended time, it's quite simple but was a real challenge to plumb in this complex application.
For a blown car we connect a small flexible hose line between the top of the blower and the base of the injector, the other end is just dropped into an alcohol jug. Once started the engine's vacuum sucks enough fuel to run at a fast idle, allowing the motor to be warmed up without burning that $40 a gallon nectar of the gods. It also allows fuel to lubricate the blower stripping which is a big deal.

Robert Prayther who did the fuel system plumbing seen earlier, did the mental and physical gymnastics to actually FIND this spot and attach a line there. The closer you REALLY look at the Sorcerer the more challenging this becomes. Good job man. The complexity of this machine is mind boggling.

Everyone that participated along the way I'd say we all have a reason to be proud.







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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3233 on: June 09, 2024, 12:32:52 PM »
Awesome write up Robbie, it's you who should be proud. Your knowledge working with Top Fuel motors has not gone unnoticed, we all thank you Sir.

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« Reply #3234 on: June 10, 2024, 06:30:09 AM »
One word... WOW! 
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3235 on: June 11, 2024, 09:45:19 AM »
I can't stop smiling. It's like the 750 King Rides Again! :D
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3236 on: June 11, 2024, 04:53:56 PM »
I had a Dream...........Oh Yeah ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3237 on: June 12, 2024, 06:54:26 PM »
Sorcerer made noise, I saw it on F/B reels.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/482975887736260
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3238 on: June 15, 2024, 09:18:10 PM »
 That put a smile on my face hearing it. It sounds Sweeet. :)

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« Reply #3239 on: June 16, 2024, 07:42:19 AM »
I hope you guys dont mind if i hijack this a little bit,i found this when cleaning a little while ago.


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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3240 on: June 16, 2024, 07:42:38 AM »
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3241 on: June 20, 2024, 09:05:10 PM »
 I'm getting facebook hints that a startup of ATS&F is coming soon.
No matter how many times you paint over a shadow, it's still there.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3242 on: June 25, 2024, 03:14:39 AM »
I'm getting facebook hints that a startup of ATS&F is coming soon.

Very soon we all hope Don.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3243 on: July 12, 2024, 09:55:29 AM »
  The ATS&F has made noise! There's a video link on RC Jr's facebook page! It was posted 2 hours ago.
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3245 on: July 12, 2024, 11:20:58 AM »
NOISE is a wonderfull thing :) :) :)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3246 on: July 12, 2024, 12:07:48 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/groups/451231164982012

Thanks for posting Don, I fell asleep and didn't see it for a few hours, thanks for putting it here for those that are on Facebook and can see it, even if it was only for a few seconds.
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« Reply #3247 on: July 13, 2024, 03:27:55 PM »
It's a good start. ;)
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Re: Sorcerer and Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to be restored
« Reply #3249 on: July 14, 2024, 03:34:41 AM »
Would someone ask russ to post these things aomewhere other than facebook?perhaps youtube.

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