Author Topic: VERY nice one (Read 6131 times)

turboguzzi · « **on:** December 22, 2011, 12:21:22 PM »

very nice frame, very nice monoshock solution, looks really serious and sorted

anyone knows who Tommy Heslip is? google yelded nada, might be an aussie (Foster's sponsorship)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-10ZeAK9fHdM/TvMfowJ8AqI/AAAAAAAAC-s/oJAMb7v_DGc/s1600/fingymotokillalane+038.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XuNmW3P_sUs/TvMfplp0jfI/AAAAAAAAC-0/fazl7U1BBx0/s1600/fingymotokillalane+037.JPG

Bluegreen · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:13:05 PM »

I hope somebody has some more info on this bike, it looks awesome!

simon#42 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:57:40 PM »

mmmmm, not sure . dont like that monoshock solution at all tg . front forks and yokes are spondon , swing arm could be as well [ not designed for mono though ] seat is tz 750 . the tank is very nice though

FuZZie · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:08:44 PM »

a "mono shock solution" could = swing arm design flaw, you really need to see more detail. I'd worry to much about the cross load when cornering hard with all the suspensions load off set to one side.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:35:40 PM »

agree the shock scheme might be sub optimal, but quite a few bikes are using the solution right now, MT03, Shiver, Kawi 650 twins and Ducati Paul Smart classic, last one i actually rode quite hard and it handled pretty well in my book.

at least the shock mount feeds the force quite straight into the frame tube,

frame is rob north-ish but not quite I think

the only question is how is this thing allowed into classic racing, if it is....

simon#42 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2011, 04:39:17 PM »

well if it was done in the period we would have allowed it to race at the forgotten racing club . and it may well have been done in the 70's , thats a de carbon rear shock by the look of it and they where around at that time . the bikes you mention tg are designed to be a single shock , that honda just appears to have one shock missing and the swing arm doesn't look strong enough for that . i can see no advantages whatsoever for this setup .

FuZZie · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:11:17 PM »

Don't get me the wrong way.... when I said "a "mono shock solution" could = swing arm design flaw, you really need to see more detail."

What I mean that I think it's beefed up with doubled "A frame" and extra support crossing the two but i just can't see enough too be sure if I'd trust it.

Blackandsilver · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2012, 11:41:31 PM »

could possibly be this frame? carruthers ..

Blackandsilver · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2012, 11:50:40 PM »

or not.... even without the shock its got a different top tube slightly...

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:32:42 AM »

That's a very nice package, I'm guessing it works, because there's no "half arsed" engineering anywhere else to be seen? Cheers, Terry.

voxonda · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:35:36 AM »

Quote from: Blackandsilver on January 01, 2012, 11:41:31 PM

could possibly be this frame? carruthers ..

This is for the Yamaha TZ 250/350. Like Roberts/Baker used.

simon#42 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2012, 02:47:55 AM »

yes that is one or the replicas that kel carruthers had built by rob north , yamaha brought out there own version the year after . the shock on that frame bolts up just behind the steering head .

i think the honda could have started out as a spondon tz350 frame but the shock has been repositioned as it would not clear the honda engine in its original position . as terry said it is a very nice bike , still think that rear shock solution is crap though . googled tommy heslip to no avail , are we assuming this bike is from oz because of the fosters sticker ? . can anyone read those scrutineering stickers on the fairing ?

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #12 on:** January 02, 2012, 03:20:48 AM »

I don't think it's got anything to do with Fosters Lager, it's not their trademark script. Cheers, Terry.

simon#42 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2012, 03:35:34 AM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on January 02, 2012, 03:20:48 AM

I don't think it's got anything to do with Fosters Lager, it's not their trademark script. Cheers, Terry.

i will bow to your undoubted knowledge on this subject !

simon#42 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:06:21 AM »

have just actually read the title of the photo , it was taken at killalane which is a road circuit in southern island , just north of dublin . should have read that first

Hot500 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:14:45 AM »

How the hell does he get that thing of the stand.

By the time the bike has moved foward far enough to go past the balance point, the rear handle/hoop must be hitting the tyre.

keith heslip · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2014, 05:23:04 AM »

hi all the bike in question belongs to my father tommy heslip im suprized no one know what it is. Its a formula 2 598cc honda 1979. The engine is one of 5 prepared by Honda RSC now known as Honda HRC for the formula 2 world championship. The engines were supplied to Bill Smith Honda in the uk bill then had the 5 bikes built using various frame makers my fathers is a spondon frame. The bike was then bought by Fosters of manchester. It is fitted with Keihin cr31 tickler carbs and runs a 4into one exhaust system, dry sump, self gen.ignition it is quite a trick bit of kit. It sounds awesome and handles a dream but is not easy started.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2014, 08:39:38 AM »

I was about to say this had been posted before and then I noticed the date.

Welcome to the forum Keith. I did a search myself back then but couldn't find anything relating to your Dad.
Please fill us in on anything relevant, Where raced, results and the performace of the bike.

Thanks, Sam.

K_Kalynuik · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2014, 01:30:39 PM »

I would love to see some more pics of it. Maybe without the fairing mounted.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2014, 05:04:49 PM »

hi keith, took a while but mistery solved. so the bike still exists in the hands of Fosters or is it still with your family? Surely could be nice to hear more about it, it's race pedigree and see more pics.
and are you a SOHC'er yourself?

welcome indeed!

FuZZie · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2014, 05:20:46 PM »

Welcome Keith would love to learn more about your dads machine and see more of it, Please Share what you can with us!

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2014, 06:09:00 PM »

I am local to both Fosters and Bill Smith motors but don't remember anything about the bike.

Sam. $:-\$

keith heslip · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2014, 07:06:30 AM »

Hi thanks for the interest in the honda and im only new to this so bear with me. Sam i spoke to bill a few weeks back and he asked my to send him a few photos of the bike over and he would try and help with some history now i asked him about Fosters who they were and he thought it was a guy called Bob Foster does this ring bell with you i googled Fosters in manchester but i could only find a fish and chip shop. This is going back to 1980 at least because Noel Hudson a very good local road racer rode it in the Formula 2 race at the Ulster grand prix in 1980 and finnished 3rd on it and it was entered by Fosters.So any help would be appreciated sam. My dad has owned the bike for around 20 years and would ride it at some parade laps. Performance wise not sure of the hp but i think a standard cb550f was making around 50hp i know that a customer 1979 350 f tz yamaha which these bikes raced against were making 70+HP so it would have to be somewhere around that figure but i dont honestly know. The engine bore and stroke is stamped on the engine and is :
Bore 61:25
Stroke 50:6
I know that Harris made a frame and Packet macnab made acouple of frames and that our frame was made by spondon. Alan Jackson won the isle of man formula 2 races in 79,80,81 on one of the P+M framed bikes.

simon#42 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2014, 12:01:58 PM »

i remember buds p+m framed honda quite well , i would doubt the hp estimate though as it was much slower than my tz350 at the time [ the tz was not eligible for tt f2 racing as it is not derived from a road bike so he only had to deal with the air cooled rd based racers at the tt , ]

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #24 on:** March 12, 2014, 12:44:55 PM »

Sorry Keith but Fosters closed down a long time ago.
I had a mate who worked there but I lost touch with him when they closed.

Sam.

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Author Topic: VERY nice one (Read 6131 times)