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metalworking help please
« on: September 21, 2015, 11:11:02 am »
I'm trying to manufacture some connector nuts and am really having some problems drilling the stock.

Have aluminum bar stock, 3/4", and I need to drill a 12.5mm hole in the center.  Finding the center is no problem, that's an easy geometry problem, the problem I am having is clamping it securely enough in the drill press so that it doesn't wobble or more importantly deform while I'm drilling it.  The last thing I want to do is crush the hole because I have to exert so much force to keep a round bar securely mounted.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2015, 11:17:03 am »
Chuck it in a lathe, thats the best way. Short of that, you need to create some type of collet to "squeeze" the round stock while in a press. Maybe you have sufficient material that would allow you to flatten two sides so the rod can be held in a vise?
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Re: metalworking help please
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2015, 12:07:01 pm »
I tried grinding, was impressed by how difficult it was to grind aluminum.  Seemed like it wanted to foul the grinder wheel right away. 

Don't have a lathe, well I do - a wood lathe but the collet for that isn't large enough to accommodate 3/4" stock.  That said, a collet is most definitely the solution - just a matter of having one available for a drill press.

Do you think lining the vice with rubber - say from an inner tube, would provide enough friction to hold the stock tight.
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Re: metalworking help please
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2015, 12:08:11 pm »
Maybe some custom jaws? 

Could be two pieces of wood with a V-cut in the middle for aluminum.

Lathe is the best, as Cal says or use a lathe chuck under a drill press.

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2015, 12:09:01 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2015, 12:10:13 pm »
Are you trying to make an upper motor hangar spacer?
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2015, 12:33:51 pm »
No, it's not even for my CB550.  Need to manufacture bolt extenders for the shocks I have for another.  The shocks are aluminum, but they inexplicably used 14x1.25mm threads for the swingarm mounts.  Those threads are impossible to find - so I'm manufacturing my own.  I already have a test piece made - wasn't that difficult, just the hole was off-center.  But it was just a test piece.

Prokop - that's exactly what I need - can't believe I didn't think of that before.  I'll take a run down to a metalworking supply place and see if they have something workable.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2015, 02:46:33 pm »
So you're basically making an 18mm mounting boss and then going to screw a 14mm bolt into it? And the extension is part the shock will bear on? If so, I question your material choice. Unless the aluminum sleeve is supported all the way thru by a grade steel bolt, and is only to fit within the shock eye...? If so, why internally threaded?
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2015, 03:03:07 pm »
Well I'm not worried.  I don't have the time to relate all the details of the project, and I've been a structural engineer long enough to know the materials and what they can take.

I appreciate the help Prokop and Cal.
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Re: metalworking help please
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2015, 04:44:41 pm »
Well I'm not worried.  I don't have the time to relate all the details of the project, and I've been a structural engineer long enough to know the materials and what they can take.

I appreciate the help Prokop and Cal.
I see you're in Seattle?  Can you send me a detailed sketch with dimensions of what you're trying to make? Perhaps I can make them for you (as long as it's not a bunch of them, one or two is fine).  I've been a toolmaker most of my life and might be able to help.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 01:45:47 pm »
I appreciate the offer Steve.  This is something that I feel like I have to do. 

I actually just finished.  Manufactured a V-block to hold the bar, then drilled it out.  Tapped it and that's that.  The dies haven't come in yet, so I haven't been able to create the bolt yet.  That will be trivial now that I have the V-block.

I don't think I'll be teaching machine shop anytime soon though ::) - at least I didn't burn myself, cut myself, or otherwise put my eye out.
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Re: metalworking help please
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 02:53:30 pm »
Well, good to hear you're gaining on the project.  The offer still stands if you want.
Steve F