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Offline Prospect

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The Art of Negotiating
« on: December 31, 2011, 11:29:08 AM »
I've never paid the asking price for a bike or anything used for that matter.  It's sort of an art to try and figure out what the guy is willing to sell a bike for and offering him that price without offending him.  I recently bought a bike from a guy that was really very hard up for cash but I'm not a vulture and I don't take advantage of peoples misfortune or circumstance.  I offered him 10% less than asking which was still a very good deal for me. 

So what are some tactics that you guys use.  I always try to ask the seller the his lowest price he would accept.  I never disclose my offer first. 
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2011, 11:37:46 AM »
go on ebay and get a starting price
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 12:54:30 PM »
 #1. Have cash in hand. I realize you aren't going to do that when negotiating on a high ticket item but never make an offer until you are ready to sign on the line or hand over the money.
 
 #2. Listen, but don't take anything said as set in stone. (outside of your offer)
 
 #3. If you lowball someone and they take the offer don't go back #$%*ing to them if you find something wrong later.

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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 02:50:19 PM »
But, you don't want to lowball someone too much. They might get offended and tell you to get lost missing out on a good deal.  It's always a fine line. 

 
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 02:53:04 PM »
 Dont give up , there will be other days..
Not for sale means finding something they want more.. might work.

 Buying is work.. the more effort you expend, the more results..

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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 03:17:09 PM »
I don't get too scientific about it.  As a kid I went with my dad on many trips to look at/buy anything from a string trimmer to a boat to a conversion van.  He had cash in hand, made his educated offer, and if the seller didn't like the offer, we walked away.  There was no back-and-forth involved.  Much of the time the seller changed his mind before we got back to the car.

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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2011, 03:18:51 PM »
I always try to be respectful when I make my offers, such as "Would you be willing to accept $xxx for it"?

On the other hand, when I list an item for sale, I usually put "Please, no low ball offers" in the listing. And I always list it a little higher than what I will sell it for so if/when I get an offer, I come down a little and both parties are happy.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 09:52:56 PM »
I had to open my wallet once and prove that was all I had. Good thing I rat holed some gas money.
I told a guy at a swap meet once I only had 30 on me and then he had to make change when I produced two twenties. I told him I needed to keep 10 for gas. Because I did.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 10:04:58 PM »
.. I used to keep money in my pocket, if I went to buy I would put some away in another pocket.  then you can go to your truck to get your emercency gas money.. or see if your buddy has more...
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 11:11:48 PM »
.. I used to keep money in my pocket, if I went to buy I would put some away in another pocket.  then you can go to your truck to get your emercency gas money.. or see if your buddy has more...

I do the same thing Frank, i always go with a friend and i put what i am prepared to spend in my pocket and i give a little extra to my friend, just in case i decide to pay a little more, that way, the seller thinks i am borrowing money to complete the sale......Works for me.... ;)
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2012, 05:25:49 AM »
Afraid of offending the seller??  That has never once happened to me.  I low-ball everyone on offers and about 40% of the time IT WORKS.  The other 60%?  Well, I either wind up coming up on my offer, or I walk away.

I've NEVER had a seller get offended and tell me to piss off.  Never even had one get angry!  (that I could tell).

As for "no low ball offers", that's like saying "no spam please".  Totally useless!

One "educated offer, then walk"?  Sheesh, that's not what buying used stuff is all about.  You must do a lot of 'walking'.  At least, you would be if you were dealing with me, or around here...

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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2012, 06:21:18 AM »
I don't buy and sell a lot, but when I do my nature is to be nice and respectful until the other party does something that makes me change my attitude. I try to see both sides of the coin. If I'm the seller and I have something listed for X amount of $$ that's about on target for what I'll take for it and I'll negotiate a little, but if somebody comes by and offers me some ridiculous low ball price I'll tell them did you bump your head and stop wasting my time >:( And if Im the buyer I try to put myself in his shoes. Weather your the buyer or seller just remember * It's not medicine you don't have to take it* no matter what side your on.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 11:24:38 AM »


As for "no low ball offers", that's like saying "no spam please".  Totally useless!


Disagree. If I see this or a "firm" price listed, I respect that for the seller, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 03:25:48 PM »
Firm price means nothing to me , in my experience most people really have no idea of the market value of what they are selling,  , people seem to have an emotional attachment to vehicles and that clouds their judgment when trying to give a price. They are thinking what the car or bike is worth to them, not its real value, and they tend to include the price of "upgrades" which generally add no value or even lower the value of the vehicle...
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 03:03:41 PM »
I have a lot more experience buying than selling.  I can only imagine how frustrating it may be to watch some tire-kicker revving the hell out of your bike.  I'm not looking forward to it when it comes time to sell some of my stuff.

As far buying, I'm very lucky because my girlfriend really gets a kick out of finding good deals on craigslist and she loves to bargain.  So I just have to sit back and watch her go.  And she's so cute doing it that I think the sellers can't resist her.  Plus, she really has a passion for these old bikes (and football, and fishing, and cooking!). :)
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 03:36:36 PM »
Rule #1 of negotiating a price- Get the other person to throw out a price first.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 05:19:08 PM »
I have a lot more experience buying than selling.  I can only imagine how frustrating it may be to watch some tire-kicker revving the hell out of your bike.  I'm not looking forward to it when it comes time to sell some of my stuff.

As far buying, I'm very lucky because my girlfriend really gets a kick out of finding good deals on craigslist and she loves to bargain.  So I just have to sit back and watch her go.  And she's so cute doing it that I think the sellers can't resist her.  Plus, she really has a passion for these old bikes (and football, and fishing, and cooking!). :)

Sounds like a keeper to me Sang!  Don't let her get away!

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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 06:25:59 AM »
It depends on the person and the deal.

If it's a fair price I normally say something like 'I'm not going to talk you down, but I need to know everything about this bike'. I found that the owner is more likely to give me a fair representation of the bike if he knows I'm not going to low-ball him. If someone is asking $1000 for example I'll go there with $1500 or so and ask about any extra parts he has, express my desire to own the bike but say I need to test ride and really check everything out good. I've spent hours checking out a truck or car with tools, compression gauge, vaccuum gauge, you name it. I generally ride my FJR1300 to look at any bikes to show the owner that I do ride and am perfectly capable of test riding their bike without wrecking it.

If it's overpriced, or even worth the price but out of my range, I'll make my offer polietly. Something like 'I hate to say this to you, but I can give you $500. You might be able to get more elsewhere, but that's as high as I can go.' If they don't want to take it just thank them for showing their bike to me, leave a number, and walk away.

Over the spring I sold a truck to a kid for $10 because I got sick of lowball offers. It was a junk Ford Ranger that needed some work, I was asking $500. He showed up in a perfectly restored 86 Ranger, said he loved those trucks, and pulled out $500. We talked for an hour or so and I found out that he had plans for a frame off restoration on my truck. He had stopped earlier and looked up the VIN, found out what I had. My truck was built during the first month that ford starting building Rangers. The motor had blown in 1996, and the truck was parked since then. Perfect body and interior, no rust. I said heck with the money and let him have it for $10 just to see it go to a good home. It's partway done now, I'm just happy to see the truck get the attention it needed. He stops by every now and then, I sandblasted some parts for him and went to his house a few times to check out the truck and help.

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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 12:34:12 PM »
I think low balling a guy is a risky maneuver especially if you want it more thank he is willing to sell.  If someone gives me a ridiculous offer he's just wasting my time and I'll make it known.  If I'm selling something for $5000 and someone offers me $1500 because that's all he has - well I'm sorry but don't waste my time by coming to see it. 

You might get away with that via email only.  The best approach I've seen is via email.  I was selling a bike and got an email saying "you've got a nice bike but I'm a little short on cash.  If you don't sell it I have $2500 to offer you" Well I didn't sell the bike for my asking price and ended up emailing the guy months later to see if he was still interested.  He was.
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Re: The Art of Negotiating
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 03:06:18 PM »
Yeah, I guess it depends on your definition of 'low-ball'.

To me, offering anything less than, say, 75% of asking price is 'low-balling'.  Anything between 75 and 100% is just 'standard negotiating'.  And, as I said, I've never had someone get mad at me (that I could discern).  And, of course, I'm always polite, calm, etc.  And, I've never gone to look at something without already being prepared to pay his full asking price (assuming there aren't any deal-killers, like badly mis-represented, or the like...).

That said, there have been times when I go look at something that is already a good deal, usually because it's in outstanding condition for the asking price, and I don't even haggle at all, other than to politely ask what's the least he'll take, then agree to it, whatever it is.

Interesting discussion...

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 04:03:31 PM »
Yeah, I guess it depends on your definition of 'low-ball'.

To me, offering anything less than, say, 75% of asking price is 'low-balling'.  Anything between 75 and 100% is just 'standard negotiating'.  And, as I said, I've never had someone get mad at me (that I could discern).  And, of course, I'm always polite, calm, etc.  And, I've never gone to look at something without already being prepared to pay his full asking price (assuming there aren't any deal-killers, like badly mis-represented, or the like...).

That said, there have been times when I go look at something that is already a good deal, usually because it's in outstanding condition for the asking price, and I don't even haggle at all, other than to politely ask what's the least he'll take, then agree to it, whatever it is.

Interesting discussion...

Kirk


I think your approach is honorable.  I just don't have that killer instinct that would let me throw out 25% of an asking price.

I did look at a sandcast once and offered about 60% of asking as I honestly thought it wasn't worth much more than that. 
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