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Hard Bags on my Monster
« on: April 12, 2012, 06:34:37 PM »
I bought my Monster new in 2000. I loved it at first ride and have loved it ever since. However, soon after I bought it my tastes started to change and wanted a sport touring bike (leaning heavier on the sport side). In 2002 Ducati came out with a hard bag option for the Monster. BUT, at a cost of about $1100 for the set, I could not afford it. Givi offered a truck rack for FAR less and so that is what I got. I developed a love/hate relationship with the trunk. It is great for carrying cargo and all kinds of stuff, but it just looks so hideous!! After years of searching with no luck, I had finally resigned myself to the thought that I would never get hard saddle bags on my duc.

This year, I finally had a chance to get a sport touring bike, but at the last minute the deal fell through. :( Once again, out of depression, I started looking for hard bags once again. Only this time, I had some luck!!! I finally cam across the manufacturer who made the bags for Ducati. I contacted them and they said they could set me up! :)

They said they had the bags and mounts for the ST2 and that, with some modification, it can be made to fit the Monster. I was Syched! The price was doable ($700). I placed my order.



Now, what he said was, "we have a kit for ducati ST2 and with slight modification, you can use with your bike."
What I heard was, "This is a pretty easy job."
It turns out that what he said and what I heard are NOT the same things. BUT, after 12 years of waiting, I have the bags in my possession and I am NOT going to let them go. He did send me the mounting instructions for the original Monster kit. After looking at the instructions and looking at what I was sent, it was clear to see that many parts were missing and mounting would be a pain. The three parts below were not there and, after many e-mails back a forth to and from Itally, were not available:


Here is my starting point:


The bracket itself was the bracket for the ST2, which has completely different mounting points than the Monster rack - including a bolt for the passenger peg which the Monster rack does not use. So, as the old sating goes, anything CAN fit, if you have the right tools, knowledge and patience. As it turns out, it's a good thing I have the Givi truck rack on there as it will be critical to mounting the hard bags. The mounting points are in just about perfect places to connect the Pannier frame.



I held the ST2 bracket to the frame and figured out where it needed to be. I found that I could drill a small hole in the rearset next to the passenger peg to hold the ST2 bracket. To mount the upper part of the frame, I figured that I would need to fabricate a little extend-a-bracket. I decided that I would need to make a mock up first to make sure it would work. My chosen medium was PVC:


Shorted to the right length:


Held onto the frame with a clamp:


Frame held in place:


It keeps the same line as the pipes which is great:


That's where I am at for the moment. I plan to make one more bracket as well, but it will be, pretty much, a straight spacer between the Givi and ST2 frames.


Any thought, opinions, or warnings as I progress?
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 04:42:43 AM »
The white tubing deteriorates over the time, afaik.  No problem with water, but that's why you should not use it for pressured air - like in a shop or such.

I would watch for cracks  on those pieces, they were not made to be structural.

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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 05:54:46 AM »
As a former Monster owner (I miss that bike every day), I have to ask... WTF is with the stupid plastic tail piece?  5 billion companies make a kit to clean up the tail and relocate the license plate.  Get on it, man!!!  Nice bags BTW.

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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 04:14:19 PM »
The white tubing deteriorates over the time, afaik.  No problem with water, but that's why you should not use it for pressured air - like in a shop or such.

I would watch for cracks  on those pieces, they were not made to be structural.

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The PVC is just for mock-up. I am going to have something fabricated out of metal for the installation. It helps to have a dad who is a machinist.   ;D

As a former Monster owner (I miss that bike every day), I have to ask... WTF is with the stupid plastic tail piece?  5 billion companies make a kit to clean up the tail and relocate the license plate.  Get on it, man!!!  Nice bags BTW.

I've already ditched the stupid drop down plate holder. :) If I didn't have the trunk on there or the bags going on, I would probably ditch the rest of it too. But, since you can barely see it with all the rigging for the bags...
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 06:33:29 PM »
I think it's great you've finally found those bags that'll mount up to you're Ducati M. ;)..w/ a bit of Modification work.I want to add a large set of Hardbags to my Honda so I can use it more..rather than using my Automobile just because I need to "pick up a few things". I'd much rather be on 2 wheels compared to 4.  ;D
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2012, 09:09:32 AM »
Finally got a little more work done on the project.

Marked out the spot on the rearset bracket to drill out:


Drilled a small pilot hole:


I was happy with placement so I drilled out the hole to the proper size:


A shot with the lower bolt holding the frame in place:


Plan A was to cut off the ST mounting brackets and build a couple of new ones to fit the Monster. After looking it over, I figured out that I could just bend the forward ST bracket so that it would connect to a mounting spot on the Monster frame. I had to trim a little bit, but saves having to make a whole new one.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2012, 09:23:11 AM »
Will mounting that lower bracket on the ST2 carrier frame to you're Monster frame allow you to be able to use the upper carrier built-on brackets w/o modifying them too much ?
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2012, 09:41:09 AM »
The forward bracket I can use, but the rear one I will have to cut off.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 04:45:20 AM »
Designed a bracket to hold the rear section of the frame:
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 06:37:11 PM »
My wife was out of town for the weekend. My Mom was watching the kid. Guess what I did? Heh, heh... Oh yeah... I went to a machine shop.  ;D  Granted it helps that my Dad is my machinist. It hurts that the day I asked him to help with this was their 45th anniversary. Oops. Well, at least I was there with my folks on that day, right?  :-[

Anyway, we got the brackets roughed out from 1/2" aluminum.


a little bit of finishing:


Then we took this:


And made a bunch of spacers:


After work, dinner, and getting the rest of my family into bed, I snuck out to the garage and put a few things together:


Then I cut off and ground down the extra bracket that I won't be using:


I am undecided about the front bracket that I re-bent to hit the Givi frame. The location of contact is just going to be a pain to deal with. I may just put in a spacer between the two, but the location where they cross will be very tough to work with. I'll have to think it over.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 02:13:36 PM »
Got both the brackets mounted up on the bike and the mounting hardware install on the sub-frames. The little rubber stoppers were too tall so I had to cut them down a little bit.


The front bracket I was able to make work on the left side by bending it a little bit, but I was never really happy with it. On the right side, it was just not going to work so I cut it off and am currently making arrangements for Plan B.


The brackets were not meant to be bent, but I had bent them anyway. I didn't really like the thought of using a bent metal tab, but if it was going to work, it saved extra work. Looks like I will have to do a little extra work anyway now.

But...


OH MY GOD!!! That looks SO MUCH SEXIER than that Givi trunk did.   8)

Here's a shot with my little helper:



And from the back:


Still a little finishing work, but at least I can ride it now if I want.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 03:01:35 PM »
Nice looking Bike w/ those excellent hardbags.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 06:36:08 PM »
Your helper is adorable, and the bags look great.  Nice post and ingenious work.
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 09:59:25 PM »
And made a bunch of spacers:



Oh those are far to thin, better go up to 1", lol
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2012, 06:44:18 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

Well, when you happen to have some "Job Scrap" lying around, you tend to use it.  ;)

Your helper is adorable, and the bags look great.  Nice post and ingenious work.

Thanks. The cuteness wore off a little bit when he dropped a tire pressure gauge and a handful of small sticks down one of my exhaust pipes when I wasn't looking.  ::)  I still love him to death, though.  8)
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Re: Hard Bags on my Monster - Final Touches
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2012, 06:42:50 PM »
Took the day to make the finishing touches on the mounts. The center mount ended going with Plan "C." Plan A was to use the existing mounting tab, re-bent, to connect to the Givi rack. It just proved too hard, and untrustworthy to do. Plan B was to use a big spacer between the bag frame and the Givi frame at the point where they cross, but that spot was not useable for the purpose due to thee way the original mounting tab was welded onto the frame. SO, plan C came into action:


A simple Z bracket to space the divide:


I mocked it up with a piece of aluminum just to check the distance and angles (just ended up needing 90 degree angles). Then I bent up some steel:


Cut, ground, smoothed and here is the finished product:


I was able to drill and tap the remainder of the mounting tab on the bag frame as well as a support tab of the Givi frame. The thicker metal was perfect for this:


A quick coat of gloss engine enamel paint on the new brackets and bag frames to cover the spots I had to cut:


And then it was time to mount it all back up again:


Final product is super solid and secure. I'll have no problem loading these things up. And the mounts look good, too.

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