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Offline afkrejci90

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Valve mod
« on: June 04, 2012, 07:44:56 PM »
I found an article on here a few weeks ago about different engine tweaks but I can't seem to find it.  Anyway, one of the tweaks was machining the valves so they had sort of "steps" going down them to make the incoming air mix more before it enters the cylinder.  Would this be a mod to consider or just something to destroy airflow? 
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 08:32:24 PM »
A "3 angle valve job" is considered a standard mod on race cars and bikes.  It is not so much for street bikes because it narrows the valve seat and therefore doesn't last as long as stock.  It is done with 3 cutters One with a very steep angle, one standard angle, and one with a very shallow angle.  then you valve is machined to have the 3 angles.  The reason that most races do this mod is that it creates a very narrow valve seat.  This means that a very small amount of movement get the mixture flowing.  There really is no "down" side for a 3 angle valve job except that you should do your valves about every 5000 miles.

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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 09:07:51 PM »
It wasn't on the valve seat but on the sloped part in the intake channel, starting from the stem to the edge of the valve.
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2012, 09:30:16 PM »
I saw it somewhere too. Lets see...
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2012, 10:46:10 PM »
It wasn't on the valve seat but on the sloped part in the intake channel, starting from the stem to the edge of the valve.

This is done on some nitro drag cars, to help enhance mixture. If the mix is 'lumpy' in a nitro engine, the engine will be in many pieces in a few seconds.

In my experience with SOHC4:
In real terms, on the street or in gasoline-fueled, carb'd engines like the SOHC4, it does nothing but weaken the already-thin valve face. You will no doubt hear much from those who tout its effectiveness, but have not dyno'd it, nor raced it against a similar, but un-similarly modified, engine, as a benchmark. And they charge a LOT to modify your valves for you...

In short, it is silly when the valves are so small...in these engines, what needs to happen most is the rapid transit of mixture between the carb and the open intake port, without too much storage time in the pocket above the valve. These are swirl-charge, directed-flow intake engines, which rely on some speed of the intake charge to prevent uneven mixture. The whirlwind velocity inside the compressing swirl-charge engines we have approaches the speed of sound at 6500+ RPM (on the 750 -- 8500+ RPM on the 350F), which stratifies the fuel mixture toward the outside of the cylinder(s), on purpose. This stratification causes a rich, fast-burn arc to ignite with the longish-duration spark, which then propagates into the leaner middle section about 1/2 the stroke distance down the bore so it can continue to push until at least 2/3 of full stroke (oversquare engines stop pushing at 1/2 stroke). This is one reason why the signature carbon patterns we see inside always appear: there is a thin layer near the valves and the edges of the chamber and pistons, with thicker build in the center, if the engine is usually ridden on the power band.

If the intake flow is disturbed with additional tumbling (as can be caused by oil buildup from leaking valve guides), the swirl pattern is broken up somewhat, and power drops off noticeably. This also happens when things like "steps" are cut into the valve face, which should be smoothed out (and the tulip lip ground off) instead. :)
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 12:11:38 AM »
It was called 'trenching' in the 70's and was used to get overly rich mixture with real poor atomization to burn.
If ports are way to big, it kinda works.
It's a bit like the 'race' HD motors having the ports all roughed up with ripples to 'improve' an inherently bad design
Updraft intakes are designed for low rpm high torque (around 2,500~3,500 rpm)
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Just have valves back cut 30 degrees to improve low lift flow (or are they done stock, I forget?)
Pic of XS650 valve, you can clearly see 2 angles, these are done at the factory but it's easy to do or get done (and cheap)
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2012, 10:24:18 PM »
I found the post I was looking for.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=83738.0

Here's a pic of what I was talking about:
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Re: Valve mod
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 01:07:54 PM »
You wouldn't get me doing that mod, it's supposed to be for lean burn engines used at low rpm to get max MPG
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