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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2012, 04:43:26 AM »
Your main jet! The slow jet only works up to about 1/4 throttle then the MAIN take over. The slow jet is basically an idle jet, it allows enough fuel for the bike to maintain an idle.


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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 04:45:52 AM »
Your main jet! The slow jet only works up to about 1/4 throttle then the MAIN take over. The slow jet is basically an idle jet, it allows enough fuel for the bike to maintain an idle.


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But when I rev down, release the throttle which jet is active then ? I've read on other forums that if it bangs when you rev down it could be the low jets, thats why im trying to understand this.
Ive read the "parts list maul" found here on the forum, but it says the main jet size is 105-110-120 !?!? how should I Know what was original ? The bike were exported to europe (Sweden)

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« Last Edit: October 25, 2012, 05:00:14 AM by Viktor.J »
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ?
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM »
As you can see by the previous posts I've removed the baffles and it gives a little more louder and sweeter sound, I'm satisfied !

When I release the throttle / rev down it bangs/fire/shoots in sweden we call it "carburetor bangs/explosions". Ive understood that this could be to small "low jet size" ?
Any ideas ? On how to get rid of these bangs ? I don't want to run a poorly tuned engine :)

Cause = effect

1 - you had a nice running bike which you modified
2 - now the bike behaves badly, and is clearly "poorly tuned" for the modifications.

Perhaps annoying everyone around you while riding has it's costs?  Now they can really sit up and take notice of what a poor mechanic has been meddling with your bike!

Changing the exhaust back pressure requires fuel enrichment, almost certainly for all throttle positions.  The quickest fix is to put the baffles back to restore proper combustion mixtures.  Otherwise, and dynamometer will give you a fuel map and allow you to tweak the idle mid-range and Wide open throttle mixtures in you carbs.
You may be able to band-aid the issue by pilot circuit enrichment, raising the slide needles, and going to larger main jets.

The "home brew" method is to buy several sets of spark plugs, learn to "read" them, find a test track, and then try different adjustments until you get bored, frustrated, or compromise your beliefs on on well it should behave.

Or...you could simply put the baffles back in.  (...making more than just you happier).

Good luck!
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2012, 02:42:40 PM »
Most of us chopper riders , run straight pipes or pipes with very little baffles/restrictions. We also run POD air filters or BREADBOX style and to tune the carbs for this setup we run a 40 slow jet and a 115 main. The MAIN jet is in the very middle of the carb and unscrews seperate from the emulsifier tube and the slow jet is shorter and clockwise from the needle and seat.
Some forums DISLIKE CHOPPER riders/builders because we'll take a halfway decent stock bike and cut it here and add to it there till we get something we like to ride!   Kind of like women, we don't all ride the same type!!!

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2012, 03:41:23 PM »
Sorry to go against the grain.... I have a 550 btw. I have made pipes..changed pipes.. ran without pipes. The only time my bike felt different was without pipes. Never ever touched the carbs.

Oh yeah, Xnavylfr you are scum.  :P
« Last Edit: October 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM by LesterPiglet »
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ?
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2012, 01:24:18 AM »
As you can see by the previous posts I've removed the baffles and it gives a little more louder and sweeter sound, I'm satisfied !

When I release the throttle / rev down it bangs/fire/shoots in sweden we call it "carburetor bangs/explosions". Ive understood that this could be to small "low jet size" ?
Any ideas ? On how to get rid of these bangs ? I don't want to run a poorly tuned engine :)

Cause = effect

1 - you had a nice running bike which you modified
2 - now the bike behaves badly, and is clearly "poorly tuned" for the modifications.

Perhaps annoying everyone around you while riding has it's costs?  Now they can really sit up and take notice of what a poor mechanic has been meddling with your bike!

Changing the exhaust back pressure requires fuel enrichment, almost certainly for all throttle positions.  The quickest fix is to put the baffles back to restore proper combustion mixtures.  Otherwise, and dynamometer will give you a fuel map and allow you to tweak the idle mid-range and Wide open throttle mixtures in you carbs.
You may be able to band-aid the issue by pilot circuit enrichment, raising the slide needles, and going to larger main jets.

The "home brew" method is to buy several sets of spark plugs, learn to "read" them, find a test track, and then try different adjustments until you get bored, frustrated, or compromise your beliefs on on well it should behave.

Or...you could simply put the baffles back in.  (...making more than just you happier).

Good luck!

Ok, you're like my dad who thinks a motorcycle would run as quiet as possible. I don't.
 Not that i want to wake up my whole neighborhod, but as it is now without the baffles is more quiet then many modern bikes with "effect exhaust/slip-on etc". The  original 340 exhaust system has mostly of the diffusion internally so even though I've removed the baffles the sound is't that loud that you might figure.

The main reason why I asked here was beacus at least in Sweden I know a lot of people drive without baffles with stock pipes, and I figure a lot does all over.. So maybe there was a "quick fix" some jet size range where I would start my tuning.

To be clear, it runs nice, the only problem is the somethimes "bangs" when I rev down.


Most of us chopper riders , run straight pipes or pipes with very little baffles/restrictions. We also run POD air filters or BREADBOX style and to tune the carbs for this setup we run a 40 slow jet and a 115 main. The MAIN jet is in the very middle of the carb and unscrews seperate from the emulsifier tube and the slow jet is shorter and clockwise from the needle and seat.
Some forums DISLIKE CHOPPER riders/builders because we'll take a halfway decent stock bike and cut it here and add to it there till we get something we like to ride!   Kind of like women, we don't all ride the same type!!!

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My K2 has 120 for main as stock .... :) What's next step ? 125 ? 130 ? main or slow ?

people will think different everywhere, some want your bike the make a little sound, same as forthe sportscars thats one reason why you by them FFS :) Some one to ride fast and some want do ride'em like chopers :D

For example, my father who had a bunch of CB's in the 70-80's freaked out yesterday cause i removed one of the mirrors..... people will allways think different :D

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2012, 01:41:19 AM »
HA!i cant help myself,,did you get that tool kit in a lucky dip?you mustve dipped into the girls one then!

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2012, 02:27:07 AM »
HA!i cant help myself,,did you get that tool kit in a lucky dip?you mustve dipped into the girls one then!

Tool kit ? I dont understand ?
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2012, 02:30:25 AM »
umm,ok,that blue/green plastic fold out cheap looking tool set in the second video,,is that your wifes or girl freinds one?

or did you borrow it from your sister?,,hey im only joking man!!!
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2012, 02:56:40 AM »
umm,ok,that blue/green plastic fold out cheap looking tool set in the second video,,is that your wifes or girl freinds one?


Its a kamasa toolset thats been working perfect for at least 15years (3 bikes, 3 mopeds and one motorcross). I dont know which brands you use in The us but here a lots of shops and industries use kamasa ....
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2012, 03:15:08 AM »
oh ok,,but im in australia does that still count?probably ok for fixing the ash tray in volvos?hey im still only joking viktor!i said i couldnt help myself!
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2012, 03:38:06 AM »
I have some kamasa tools and they have outlasted a lot of other stuff I have.  ;)
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2012, 03:45:47 AM »
hey sorry to go so off topic,,then again ive never worn out any tools,,ive snapped and broken a few though!(all cheap ones)i hope you viktor understand i was joking?i have a ton of old aussie sidchrome stuff still from my apprenticeship era i still use!if those tools could talk they would swear worse than me!!!!the #$%*s.

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2012, 07:50:15 AM »
 I would start by turning the air screw in another 1/4 turn and do another plug chop. Do you understand what is meant by plug chop?  Plug chop= Get the bike out on the road, warmed up GOOD and after about 10 minutes at cruise speed kill engine with kill switch while trying to keep the throttle open till it dies. Pull over at a safe place and pull the plugs and see what they look like.

If your plugs are still white, I would go ahead and buy some 125s and some 130s mains and go ahead and buy one step larger on the slow jet.
Of course once you change anything with the fuel or exhaust system you go into the test and tune mode till you get it back in-sync with each other!!! You should see the problems I have when I bore an engine to 836cc with only a dual carb kit  and try to get that setup working right.


I'm surprised no one hasn't thrown this phrase out yet , If it ain't broke,don' fix it.


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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2012, 02:15:47 PM »
oh great,now hes going to mess with the carbs aswell,good one xnav!

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2012, 05:30:36 PM »
Hey DAVE, you forgot to include TWOTIRED, he also recomended some tweaks to the carbs. He also said if you open the exhaust some you have to add some gas.

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2012, 09:28:37 PM »
you squealed on two tired!

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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2012, 01:20:36 AM »
Actually today I put back the baffles... Maybe in the future I will remove them again. But i figured I would first make it go 100% change the cosmetic to the level I want... Then .... continuing the search for the perfect muscular sound :)
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Re: Louder and more masculine sound with stock pipes ? // re jetting ?
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2012, 02:28:54 AM »
Just remember in the future, ANY changes to the exhaust will require changes in carburetion. I'm on your side about more exhaust sound because I want them to hear me over the METAL music coming from their radio!!!
VERY Sharp BIKE by the way!!!


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